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They get paid from whatever service you bought your music from - be it from CDs, MP3 sites like Amazon or Google Play (RIP), etc. Scary thought, being able to

They get paid from whatever service you bought your music from - be it from CDs, MP3 sites like Amazon or Google Play (RIP), etc. Scary thought, being able to purchase music these days rather than a streaming service lease, I know...

tchaffee 6y ago
If I am only sharing with my family, then fine. But it looks like this software allows you to create a pod and share with whoever you invite. Which my purchase doesn't cover, right?
- pessimizer 6y ago
  Did your purchase cover your family? Why should your spouse and children be allowed to listen to music licensed to you?
  - tchaffee 6y ago
    My goal is that musicians get fairly paid for their work as opposed to making sure I am following every subtle licensing technicality in my own home, which is only an exercise in pedantry and accomplishes nothing practical for musicians. I don't talk with the attorneys who create these complex licensing rules at Amazon, iTunes, etc. I talk to musicians. None of whom have ever had a problem with listening to their music with a small group of friends or family. The problem is with a platform that allows me to fire up a server and then invite thousands or millions of people to listen to someone's music for free.
  - choward 6y ago
    Do you remember CDs, cassettes, records, etc.? Is it illegal to let family listen to those?
- _jal 6y ago
  Be sure you soundproof your home/apartment, and don't turn it up too much in the car. Don't want to accidentally leak any copyrighted joy to your neighbors without payment!
  - tchaffee 6y ago
    Seems like you are being sarcastic, but yes, if you play loud enough and to a big enough audience you do indeed owe royalties. In fact bars and restaurants are required to pay for this exact reason.
    - Inhibit 6y ago
      Depending on what they're playing and how, friendly ASCAP employee.
    - _jal 6y ago
      I am aware of ASCAP and the RIAA's (and friends) claims; I just don't uncritically accept them, let alone act as a volunteer copyright-cop for them. You are free to do whatever you like with your free time, of course.
      - tchaffee 6y ago
        > I just don't uncritically accept them, let alone act as a volunteer copyright-cop for them. It seems like you are implying I am. When all I'm trying to do is make sure musicians get fairly paid for their work. So yeah, I'm not super concerned about playing music loud in my car as you sarcastically suggested I should be. I am concerned about joining a music platform where something I purchased can be shared for free to millions of people with the musician getting nothing. If there is a service that pays musicians directly and cuts out ASCAP and RIAA, then even better.
        52-6F-62 6y ago
        > cuts out ASCAP and RIAA The sad thing for me, is that even if something like that were to function, and no matter how well, people would find another reason the artists don't deserve payment. So as it stands, organizations like that are how artists get paid at all. And not as any hard defence of the RIAA in all aspects, but it's not like they don't do anything. They did help set the standards for effective vinyl mastering and playback...
        6y ago
- brmgb 6y ago
  > Which my purchase doesn't cover, right? It most certainly does in my country (and probably in most of Europe I would hasard). The only thing you can't do is public performance and distribution but sharing it with your friends is definitely legal.
  - 52-6F-62 6y ago
    Without even looking at the law I'm going to guess there's some kind of clause about "within reason". As in, you can't reasonably claim that all 350,000 people who've downloaded the music you uploaded can be classified as "friends". That would certainly fall under broadcast or distribution licensing and legal terms.

tchaffee 6y ago

If I am only sharing with my family, then fine. But it looks like this software allows you to create a pod and share with whoever you invite. Which my purchase doesn't cover, right?

pessimizer 6y ago
Did your purchase cover your family? Why should your spouse and children be allowed to listen to music licensed to you?
- tchaffee 6y ago
  My goal is that musicians get fairly paid for their work as opposed to making sure I am following every subtle licensing technicality in my own home, which is only an exercise in pedantry and accomplishes nothing practical for musicians. I don't talk with the attorneys who create these complex licensing rules at Amazon, iTunes, etc. I talk to musicians. None of whom have ever had a problem with listening to their music with a small group of friends or family. The problem is with a platform that allows me to fire up a server and then invite thousands or millions of people to listen to someone's music for free.
- choward 6y ago
  Do you remember CDs, cassettes, records, etc.? Is it illegal to let family listen to those?
_jal 6y ago
Be sure you soundproof your home/apartment, and don't turn it up too much in the car. Don't want to accidentally leak any copyrighted joy to your neighbors without payment!
- tchaffee 6y ago
  Seems like you are being sarcastic, but yes, if you play loud enough and to a big enough audience you do indeed owe royalties. In fact bars and restaurants are required to pay for this exact reason.
  - Inhibit 6y ago
    Depending on what they're playing and how, friendly ASCAP employee.
  - _jal 6y ago
    I am aware of ASCAP and the RIAA's (and friends) claims; I just don't uncritically accept them, let alone act as a volunteer copyright-cop for them. You are free to do whatever you like with your free time, of course.
    - tchaffee 6y ago
      > I just don't uncritically accept them, let alone act as a volunteer copyright-cop for them. It seems like you are implying I am. When all I'm trying to do is make sure musicians get fairly paid for their work. So yeah, I'm not super concerned about playing music loud in my car as you sarcastically suggested I should be. I am concerned about joining a music platform where something I purchased can be shared for free to millions of people with the musician getting nothing. If there is a service that pays musicians directly and cuts out ASCAP and RIAA, then even better.
      - 52-6F-62 6y ago
        > cuts out ASCAP and RIAA The sad thing for me, is that even if something like that were to function, and no matter how well, people would find another reason the artists don't deserve payment. So as it stands, organizations like that are how artists get paid at all. And not as any hard defence of the RIAA in all aspects, but it's not like they don't do anything. They did help set the standards for effective vinyl mastering and playback...
      - 6y ago
brmgb 6y ago
> Which my purchase doesn't cover, right? It most certainly does in my country (and probably in most of Europe I would hasard). The only thing you can't do is public performance and distribution but sharing it with your friends is definitely legal.
- 52-6F-62 6y ago
  Without even looking at the law I'm going to guess there's some kind of clause about "within reason". As in, you can't reasonably claim that all 350,000 people who've downloaded the music you uploaded can be classified as "friends". That would certainly fall under broadcast or distribution licensing and legal terms.