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I was going to add you cant do Android development on these, as you need Android Studio, but that seems to be on the way — Support for Apple Silicon is in progr

I was going to add you cant do Android development on these, as you need Android Studio, but that seems to be on the way — Support for Apple Silicon is in progress

throwaway4good 6y ago
I assume they have the OpenJDK JVM ported at this point so all of JetBrains' products should be working or close to working.
- dutchmartin 6y ago
  They have to make the claim ‘millions of devices run Java true’. But anyway. A lot of programming languages are going to have to support Arm now. Interpreters for like php and js must be cross-compiled and then most things can work. Like Rust just brought their arm support to the tier 1 support level, see https://github.com/rust-lang/rfcs/pull/2959 https://github.com/rust-lang/rfcs/pull/2959
  - Liquid_Fire 6y ago
    Most popular languages have supported Arm for many years already, on Linux (and more recently, some of them on Android and iOS). > Rust just brought their arm support to the tier 1 support level (for Linux)
    - fulafel 6y ago
      Yep, most things were ported in the first wave of linux arm enthusiasm around the netwinder/ipaq craze 20 years ago.
      - cesarb 6y ago
        The "netwinder/ipaq craze 20 years ago" would be 32-bit ARM (AArch32), while AFAIK this new chip is 64-bit ARM (AArch64); everything has to be ported again to this new ISA (though yeah, most things were already ported for Linux on AArch64).
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        fulafel 6y ago
        Yep, in the intervening time ARM on Linux became popular enough that doing the required compiler backend work for 64-bit ARM in GCC, LLVM etc by commercial interests was a given, there was eg a big push for ARM on servers from various vendors. MS even ported Windows Server. Eg Hotspot/OpenJDK was ported in 2015.
  - shepmaster 6y ago
    And I’ve been getting Rust to work on Apple Silicon. It’s only tier 2 for now, but that’s mostly because there are no CI providers so we can’t automatically run tests for it. I’ve been running them by hand. https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/73908 https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/73908
- pjmlp 6y ago
  Azul and Microsoft are doing the port.
  - ayewo 6y ago
    IIRC, Azul is a hardware vendor for the JVM ... can you please share a public source on this collaboration between Azul & Microsoft?
    - pjmlp 6y ago
      Sure, here sparing you the effort to learn how to use Google or whatever search engine you like using. https://www.infoq.com/news/2020/09/microsoft-windows-mac-arm/ https://www.infoq.com/news/2020/09/microsoft-windows-mac-arm...
      - ayewo 6y ago
        Thanks for the link but there was no need for you to be patronizing about it. FWIW, I originally thought your mention of Azul was a typo, so I parsed your comment as "Azure and Microsoft" before I realized the tautology, which was why I posted the question. I didn't realize that Azul had pivoted to be a software-based vendor of the JVM.
        pjmlp 6y ago
        I answered like that because of what looked like a snarky comment.
    - dkersten 6y ago
      I don’t think Azul have sold hardware in a few years. Their current offerings, Zing and Zulu, are cross platform JVMs and don’t appear to be sold with any hardware.
      - ghaff 6y ago
        Azul was originally a hardware vendor with Java-optimized silicon. They haven't sold hardware AFAIK for probably over a decade.
- threeseed 6y ago
  You also have GraalVM (Oracle), OpenJ9 (IBM) and Corretto (Amazon). So plenty of enterprise-class JVMs available.
bluedino 6y ago
Wouldn't the x86 version run under emulation?

I was going to add you cant do Android development on these, as you need Android Studio, but that seems to be on the way — Support for Apple Silicon is in progress

throwaway4good 6y ago

I assume they have the OpenJDK JVM ported at this point so all of JetBrains' products should be working or close to working.

dutchmartin 6y ago
They have to make the claim ‘millions of devices run Java true’. But anyway. A lot of programming languages are going to have to support Arm now. Interpreters for like php and js must be cross-compiled and then most things can work. Like Rust just brought their arm support to the tier 1 support level, see https://github.com/rust-lang/rfcs/pull/2959 https://github.com/rust-lang/rfcs/pull/2959
- Liquid_Fire 6y ago
  Most popular languages have supported Arm for many years already, on Linux (and more recently, some of them on Android and iOS). > Rust just brought their arm support to the tier 1 support level (for Linux)
  - fulafel 6y ago
    Yep, most things were ported in the first wave of linux arm enthusiasm around the netwinder/ipaq craze 20 years ago.
    - cesarb 6y ago
      The "netwinder/ipaq craze 20 years ago" would be 32-bit ARM (AArch32), while AFAIK this new chip is 64-bit ARM (AArch64); everything has to be ported again to this new ISA (though yeah, most things were already ported for Linux on AArch64).
      - deleted 6y ago
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      - fulafel 6y ago
        Yep, in the intervening time ARM on Linux became popular enough that doing the required compiler backend work for 64-bit ARM in GCC, LLVM etc by commercial interests was a given, there was eg a big push for ARM on servers from various vendors. MS even ported Windows Server. Eg Hotspot/OpenJDK was ported in 2015.
- shepmaster 6y ago
  And I’ve been getting Rust to work on Apple Silicon. It’s only tier 2 for now, but that’s mostly because there are no CI providers so we can’t automatically run tests for it. I’ve been running them by hand. https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/73908 https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/73908
pjmlp 6y ago
Azul and Microsoft are doing the port.
- ayewo 6y ago
  IIRC, Azul is a hardware vendor for the JVM ... can you please share a public source on this collaboration between Azul & Microsoft?
  - pjmlp 6y ago
    Sure, here sparing you the effort to learn how to use Google or whatever search engine you like using. https://www.infoq.com/news/2020/09/microsoft-windows-mac-arm/ https://www.infoq.com/news/2020/09/microsoft-windows-mac-arm...
    - ayewo 6y ago
      Thanks for the link but there was no need for you to be patronizing about it. FWIW, I originally thought your mention of Azul was a typo, so I parsed your comment as "Azure and Microsoft" before I realized the tautology, which was why I posted the question. I didn't realize that Azul had pivoted to be a software-based vendor of the JVM.
      - pjmlp 6y ago
        I answered like that because of what looked like a snarky comment.
  - dkersten 6y ago
    I don’t think Azul have sold hardware in a few years. Their current offerings, Zing and Zulu, are cross platform JVMs and don’t appear to be sold with any hardware.
    - ghaff 6y ago
      Azul was originally a hardware vendor with Java-optimized silicon. They haven't sold hardware AFAIK for probably over a decade.
threeseed 6y ago
You also have GraalVM (Oracle), OpenJ9 (IBM) and Corretto (Amazon). So plenty of enterprise-class JVMs available.

bluedino 6y ago

Wouldn't the x86 version run under emulation?