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ARM is the future, at least in laptops. Apple lead the fray again, it's incredible.

systemvoltage 6y ago
I have a burning question: Can I use gcc, python, etc. on the new M1-based Macbooks? I am thinking about getting one but not sure if I can use it as a development machine. How does rosetta translation layer work with brew apps and other binaries?
- knolan 6y ago
  They showed this during the previous transition announcement. They flashed up a screen of various open source tools that they’ve tested. It even included Blender. Here is the image: http://www.cgchannel.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/200623_AppleSiliconMacs_Blender.jpg http://www.cgchannel.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/200623_A...
- lawnchair_larry 6y ago
  Brew would just compile the ARM version and it should work the same for the most part. Same as running Linux on ARM (like raspberry pi). I’m not sure if it supports it immediately, but this isn’t a difficult change, so it will certainly come soon.
- jsjohnst 6y ago
  I don’t have an M1 yet, but the things you mentioned work perfectly fine on my Developer Preview hardware, so I don’t see any reason they wouldn’t on the production hardware.
- my123 6y ago
  Yes you can. For GCC targeting arm64 macOS, the dev branch is at https://github.com/iains/gcc-darwin-arm64/ https://github.com/iains/gcc-darwin-arm64/ currently. For Rosetta, everything runs except virtualisation apps.
onedr0p 6y ago
Apple is hardly the first laptop manufacturer that built a arm based laptop. Microsoft did it before them with the Surface back in 2012. However it's not going to be as popular as Apple's laptop. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_RT https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_RT
- jb1991 6y ago
  Apple is rarely "first" with anything (they were nowhere near the first with mp3 players, for example). But they are often first-in-class once they commit to an idea. And then we got the iPod after many other companies tried to also do that in the preceding years. ARM is not new, but Apple committing to this is going to be very disruptive, and ultimately a more impressive implementation, in ways the Surface never was.
- Aperocky 6y ago
  But it seems that everyone else had the idea that ARM is cheap material and only Apple put in enough effort to make the full potential of both the instruction set and the chip design.
Beached 6y ago
people have been saying that for over a decade.

I have a burning question: Can I use gcc, python, etc. on the new M1-based Macbooks? I am thinking about getting one but not sure if I can use it as a development machine. How does rosetta translation layer work with brew apps and other binaries?

knolan 6y ago
They showed this during the previous transition announcement. They flashed up a screen of various open source tools that they’ve tested. It even included Blender. Here is the image: http://www.cgchannel.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/200623_AppleSiliconMacs_Blender.jpg http://www.cgchannel.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/200623_A...
lawnchair_larry 6y ago
Brew would just compile the ARM version and it should work the same for the most part. Same as running Linux on ARM (like raspberry pi). I’m not sure if it supports it immediately, but this isn’t a difficult change, so it will certainly come soon.
jsjohnst 6y ago
I don’t have an M1 yet, but the things you mentioned work perfectly fine on my Developer Preview hardware, so I don’t see any reason they wouldn’t on the production hardware.
my123 6y ago
Yes you can. For GCC targeting arm64 macOS, the dev branch is at https://github.com/iains/gcc-darwin-arm64/ https://github.com/iains/gcc-darwin-arm64/ currently. For Rosetta, everything runs except virtualisation apps.

onedr0p 6y ago

Apple is hardly the first laptop manufacturer that built a arm based laptop. Microsoft did it before them with the Surface back in 2012. However it's not going to be as popular as Apple's laptop. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_RT https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_RT

jb1991 6y ago
Apple is rarely "first" with anything (they were nowhere near the first with mp3 players, for example). But they are often first-in-class once they commit to an idea. And then we got the iPod after many other companies tried to also do that in the preceding years. ARM is not new, but Apple committing to this is going to be very disruptive, and ultimately a more impressive implementation, in ways the Surface never was.
Aperocky 6y ago
But it seems that everyone else had the idea that ARM is cheap material and only Apple put in enough effort to make the full potential of both the instruction set and the chip design.

Beached 6y ago

people have been saying that for over a decade.