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We shouldn't allow voting by mail either. Absentee voting with a notary public witness signature is fine by voting by mail is ripe for abuse.

jeffbee 6y ago
Not really. It's very simple to prevent abuse in these elections, because the registrar of voters ... registers ... voters ... hence the name. You don't just mail your preference to the election board on a post card. They also perform risk-limiting audits. Every state does them.
- stouset 6y ago
  Every single person I've seen that claims that vote-by-mail systems are ripe for abuse seems incapable of describing how one could reliably affect the outcome of an election by abusing it. Those who try seem completely unaware of even the most basic steps taken by elections officials to prevent exactly these kind of abuse. It's almost as if the people we tasked with designing these systems weren't completely incompetent, considered how bad actors might try to interfere, and designed these systems with those considerations in mind!
  - asquabventured 6y ago
    You don't see how it's possible for abuse in a state that traditionally votes for a certain party to mail ballots unprompted to every citizen that you have in the state records when you don't regularly purge your data even for individuals who haven't filed state income tax in years? I think we just fundamentally will have to disagree then.
    - jeffbee 6y ago
      Your position, is essence, is that people who file tax returns should automatically get ballots and people who need not file returns should not get ballots. This position is abhorrent.
      - asquabventured 6y ago
        No I'm saying it should be one of many types of checks to validate the data.
    - klyrs 6y ago
      As of 2020, Alaska, Florida, Nevada, South Dakota, Texas, Washington, and Wyoming levy no personal income tax. Are you actually okay with disenfranchising voters in all of these states?

jeffbee 6y ago

Not really. It's very simple to prevent abuse in these elections, because the registrar of voters ... registers ... voters ... hence the name. You don't just mail your preference to the election board on a post card. They also perform risk-limiting audits. Every state does them.

stouset 6y ago
Every single person I've seen that claims that vote-by-mail systems are ripe for abuse seems incapable of describing how one could reliably affect the outcome of an election by abusing it. Those who try seem completely unaware of even the most basic steps taken by elections officials to prevent exactly these kind of abuse. It's almost as if the people we tasked with designing these systems weren't completely incompetent, considered how bad actors might try to interfere, and designed these systems with those considerations in mind!
- asquabventured 6y ago
  You don't see how it's possible for abuse in a state that traditionally votes for a certain party to mail ballots unprompted to every citizen that you have in the state records when you don't regularly purge your data even for individuals who haven't filed state income tax in years? I think we just fundamentally will have to disagree then.
  - jeffbee 6y ago
    Your position, is essence, is that people who file tax returns should automatically get ballots and people who need not file returns should not get ballots. This position is abhorrent.
    - asquabventured 6y ago
      No I'm saying it should be one of many types of checks to validate the data.
  - klyrs 6y ago
    As of 2020, Alaska, Florida, Nevada, South Dakota, Texas, Washington, and Wyoming levy no personal income tax. Are you actually okay with disenfranchising voters in all of these states?