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Here's a link to a New Yorker article: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/01/how-russia-helped-to-swing-the-election-for-trump https://www.newyorker.com
by nickff 6y ago
Here's a link to a New Yorker article: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/01/how-russia-helped-to-swing-the-election-for-trump https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/01/how-russia-hel...
And a Time article: https://time.com/5565991/russia-influence-2016-election/ https://time.com/5565991/russia-influence-2016-election/
CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/26/us/2016-presidential-campaign-hacking-fast-facts/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/26/us/2016-presidential-campaign...
And the Wikipedia page on all the allegations of Russian involvement: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_20...
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- jeffbee 6y agoThere's a big difference between influencing the way people vote, and election fraud. The evidence that Russians do try to influence out electorate is pretty ... evident.
- nickff 6y agoI said "fraud and malfeasance" for a reason, you're omitting the second word.
- mthoms 6y agoYou didn't say "fraud or malfeasance" though. You said "fraud and malfeasance".
- nickff 6y agoI was actually somewhat careful about my wording, here is what I said about Democratic allegations (unedited): "From 2016-2020, the Democratic partisans insisted that there had been some sort of fraud or malfeasance"
- mthoms 6y agoWhy did you include the word "fraud" at all? You haven't yet supported it with evidence. It's simple - either show us where Democrats have maintained there was widespread fraud in 2016 or withdraw that part of your comment.
- quickthrowman 6y agoThat is not election fraud.
- nickff 6y agoI said "fraud and malfeasance" for a reason, you're omitting the second word.
- quickthrowman 6y agoI’m ignoring it because it’s widely known that Russia and perhaps other countries tried to influence US voters. What’s your point? The only person claiming election fraud in 2016 was Donald J Trump. While HRC called him “illegitimate”, she accepted the election results.
- mthoms 6y agoSo you're admitting the fraud part of the claim is inaccurate?
- jeffbee 6y agoIf there is a throwaway word in your argument that has no meaning, why did you pick "fraud" instead of "sodomy" or whatever?
- newacct583 6y agoSo... one side believes an election was stolen with no evidence beyond partisan sources, and you say that's bad, right? The other side believes that Russia acted to influence the 2016 election (not really the same thing as "stole", but whatever, I'll grant that) based on reputable journalism, and that's... bad for the same reason? It sounds like you're making a PRO-disinformation argument here! You're saying that sourcing and truth doesn't matter, just the opinion that it produces? Yikes.
- mthoms 6y agoYou're misunderstanding the difference between election fraud and election interference. They aren't the same thing. Election fraud means actual illegitimate votes were involved. Election interference means pretty much every other thing that one can do to influence an election. Most notably - disseminate false or misleading information.