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a €1.909,00 laptop(Cost of macbook pro 13 inch with 16gb of RAM) is not entry level. It's not even mid-tier. That is a high-end laptop. Entry level would at lea

a €1.909,00 laptop(Cost of macbook pro 13 inch with 16gb of RAM) is not entry level. It's not even mid-tier. That is a high-end laptop. Entry level would at least be sub €600 laptop.

coldtea 6y ago
>a €1.909,00 laptop(Cost of macbook pro 13 inch with 16gb of RAM) is not entry level. For Apple it is. And for most other companies (Dell, Lenovo, Razer, etc). When you configure any kind of developer-class or workstation-class machine, it gets way above $2000 soon regardless of vendor. I wanted to try a Lenovo or Razer with compatible specs to a high end MacBook Pro 16 (to use if as a high end Linux workstation), and it gets into the same ballpark very quickly as you narrow the specs down. The sub €600 category Apple doesn't cater to.
- rowanG077 6y ago
  Entry level and workstation class are completely orthogonal concepts. You can have an entry-level workstation. But the macbook pro 13 inch is not an entry-level workstation. It's not a workstation at all. It's also not an entry-level laptop. Razer, like Apple, doesn't offer entry level laptops. Apple and Razer simply don't operate in that market segment. But Dell and Lenovo do. Here are some examples of their entry level stuff: Dell: https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-laptops/sr/laptops/inspiron-laptops https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-laptops/sr/laptops/insp... Lenovo: https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/ideapad/ideapad-100-series/lenovo-ideapad-s145-15ast/p/81N3001RUS https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/ideapad/ideapad-100-ser...
  - coldtea 6y ago
    >Entry level and workstation class are completely orthogonal concepts. You can have an entry-level workstation. In a pedantic way yes, but not on the casual axis I was talking about. Workstations are not merely "different" configurations that can be equally cheap to an entry level consumer machine, they are also typically much more expensive. For us that remember the era of the actual workstation (HP, Sun, SGI, IBM, Dec, etc), it wasn't just some "completely orthogonal concept", it was "hella high end, hella expensive, 3-10 times your average PC" reality... And when we talk about machines worthy to be called workstations, for graphics, video, 3D, etc, this remains so...

a €1.909,00 laptop(Cost of macbook pro 13 inch with 16gb of RAM) is not entry level. It's not even mid-tier. That is a high-end laptop. Entry level would at least be sub €600 laptop.

coldtea 6y ago

>a €1.909,00 laptop(Cost of macbook pro 13 inch with 16gb of RAM) is not entry level. For Apple it is. And for most other companies (Dell, Lenovo, Razer, etc). When you configure any kind of developer-class or workstation-class machine, it gets way above $2000 soon regardless of vendor. I wanted to try a Lenovo or Razer with compatible specs to a high end MacBook Pro 16 (to use if as a high end Linux workstation), and it gets into the same ballpark very quickly as you narrow the specs down. The sub €600 category Apple doesn't cater to.

rowanG077 6y ago
Entry level and workstation class are completely orthogonal concepts. You can have an entry-level workstation. But the macbook pro 13 inch is not an entry-level workstation. It's not a workstation at all. It's also not an entry-level laptop. Razer, like Apple, doesn't offer entry level laptops. Apple and Razer simply don't operate in that market segment. But Dell and Lenovo do. Here are some examples of their entry level stuff: Dell: https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-laptops/sr/laptops/inspiron-laptops https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-laptops/sr/laptops/insp... Lenovo: https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/ideapad/ideapad-100-series/lenovo-ideapad-s145-15ast/p/81N3001RUS https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/ideapad/ideapad-100-ser...
- coldtea 6y ago
  >Entry level and workstation class are completely orthogonal concepts. You can have an entry-level workstation. In a pedantic way yes, but not on the casual axis I was talking about. Workstations are not merely "different" configurations that can be equally cheap to an entry level consumer machine, they are also typically much more expensive. For us that remember the era of the actual workstation (HP, Sun, SGI, IBM, Dec, etc), it wasn't just some "completely orthogonal concept", it was "hella high end, hella expensive, 3-10 times your average PC" reality... And when we talk about machines worthy to be called workstations, for graphics, video, 3D, etc, this remains so...