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Funny, I found much more joy in life when I started reading the news more. Not a compulsive amount, but staying up to date. 1hr tops a day Others bashing peopl

Funny, I found much more joy in life when I started reading the news more. Not a compulsive amount, but staying up to date. 1hr tops a day Others bashing people you like is always inevitable But, I like to read it from the perspective of not where CURRENT public positions lie, but where they are going. Not a point on the graph, but the vector of how it is changing I found it has made me empathize much more with those who I normally would not. Understanding current events discussing their position, but going deeper to find that "root cause" of why they hold that Regardless of where you lie politically, everyone wants the same things in life. It transcends politics and different world cultures. We disagree HOW we get there, but normally we all agree on what are baseline values. We want to live in a world that is fair, we want the highest quality of life for all capable to everyone's abilities (ignoring initial allocation of resources to get there), safety, a sense of community and security. I may be missing some points, but I bonded getting to that root cause with many

dmd 6y ago
That may be true in much of the world, but here in the USA we just had an election where 70 million people voted for the guy who for the last four years has been quite outspoken and clear about NOT wanting quality of life “for all”.
- THEDONKEYOFDOOM 6y ago
  Hence why I put "ignoring the initial allocation of resources" in brackets to that point It seems people on that side want "america first". Throw all political shenanigans used to try to implement that and party leaders outside of the window; that idea is not absurd I'm sure if we found a macguffin that instantly catapulted us into a true post-scaricty economy, lots of that rhetoric would subside. Over a few generations
  - dmd 6y ago
    I’m really not sure that’s true. Given a choice between “I get $10, they get nothing” and “I get $20, they get $20”, “conservatives” often choose the former.
jlokier 6y ago
> We want to live in a world that is fair, we want the highest quality of life for all capable to everyone's abilities (ignoring initial allocation of resources to get there), safety, a sense of community and security. I may be missing some points, but I bonded getting to that root cause with many I like the idea, and I used to believe in it (or maybe "intentionally believe" in it). But over the last few years I have seen so many people write casually about how other people should suffer (from poverty) or even die (from lack of medicine, or starvation) because they don't have citizenship or whatever. As if non-citizens "deserve" what happens to them. They mostly don't say it explicitly, but it is undeniably an obvious consequence of the policies they advocate. And the schadenfreude. When stories come up about those things actually happening to people, I see comments in favour, cheering on the suffering. Sometimes a lot of comments. As a result, I'm pretty sure a lot of people really don't wish for a world that is fair to everyone else.
tasogare 6y ago
> Regardless of where you lie politically, everyone wants the same things in life. This is clearly false, and a very dangerous assumption to make. A lot of current turmoil in Europe stems precisely from this assumption. And even if it were true, the modalities would differ enough from different groups for conflicts to emerge.

dmd 6y ago

That may be true in much of the world, but here in the USA we just had an election where 70 million people voted for the guy who for the last four years has been quite outspoken and clear about NOT wanting quality of life “for all”.

THEDONKEYOFDOOM 6y ago
Hence why I put "ignoring the initial allocation of resources" in brackets to that point It seems people on that side want "america first". Throw all political shenanigans used to try to implement that and party leaders outside of the window; that idea is not absurd I'm sure if we found a macguffin that instantly catapulted us into a true post-scaricty economy, lots of that rhetoric would subside. Over a few generations
- dmd 6y ago
  I’m really not sure that’s true. Given a choice between “I get $10, they get nothing” and “I get $20, they get $20”, “conservatives” often choose the former.

jlokier 6y ago

> We want to live in a world that is fair, we want the highest quality of life for all capable to everyone's abilities (ignoring initial allocation of resources to get there), safety, a sense of community and security. I may be missing some points, but I bonded getting to that root cause with many I like the idea, and I used to believe in it (or maybe "intentionally believe" in it). But over the last few years I have seen so many people write casually about how other people should suffer (from poverty) or even die (from lack of medicine, or starvation) because they don't have citizenship or whatever. As if non-citizens "deserve" what happens to them. They mostly don't say it explicitly, but it is undeniably an obvious consequence of the policies they advocate. And the schadenfreude. When stories come up about those things actually happening to people, I see comments in favour, cheering on the suffering. Sometimes a lot of comments. As a result, I'm pretty sure a lot of people really don't wish for a world that is fair to everyone else.

tasogare 6y ago

> Regardless of where you lie politically, everyone wants the same things in life. This is clearly false, and a very dangerous assumption to make. A lot of current turmoil in Europe stems precisely from this assumption. And even if it were true, the modalities would differ enough from different groups for conflicts to emerge.