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Do you mean we should be 'more critical' of the reports that China is operating genocidal concentration camps aimed at exterminating the Uyghur culture?

ceejayoz 6y ago
We should probably be more critical of attempts to use the Chinese atrocities against the Uyghur as a method to deflect attention from other actors' bad deeds.
- echelon 6y ago
  > be more critical of attempts to use the Chinese atrocities against the Uyghur It's shocking to try to put any positive spin on this. Yes, the West has done bad. But this is state-sponsored genocide.
  - ceejayoz 6y ago
    > It's shocking to try to put any positive spin on this. I'm not. I'm saying "What the Chinese have done to the Uyghur is bad" is a perfectly fine statement. I object to stuff like "stop whining about conditions in ICE detention when there's stuff like the Uyghur genocide happening". It's generally done in bad faith.
    - echelon 6y ago
      I agree. I wasn't doing that, and I explicitly called that point out. I don't think the OP was trying to shift blame either. I also think the incoming administration will do a lot to fix it. I don't see any change in China's Uyghur strategy without strong international posturing.
  - klyrs 6y ago
    Yes, China is doing a bad thing (understatement of the century). When the world moved against apartheid in South Africa, trade with them stopped altogether. Apple phones, and a million other consumer products, are still coming over from China. Stopping that would be a good start. But then we've got TikTok, which some American lefties are using to exercise their free speech. The ticket-buying campaign around Trump's rally in Tulsa really seemed to ignite Trump's ire. Is this about the atrocities, is it about national security, or is it about Trump's ego? I can get behind the first, I'm weary about the second, and cannot tolerate the third.
DobryMorozov 6y ago
How many deaths has this genocide produced? All the information on this comes from just a few American sources
- bigbubba 6y ago
  That is a bald faced lie. The information comes from Uyghurs who managed to escape. The true scale of the genocide will likely not be known until/unless the CCP is dismantled and its members put on trial.

ceejayoz 6y ago

We should probably be more critical of attempts to use the Chinese atrocities against the Uyghur as a method to deflect attention from other actors' bad deeds.

echelon 6y ago
> be more critical of attempts to use the Chinese atrocities against the Uyghur It's shocking to try to put any positive spin on this. Yes, the West has done bad. But this is state-sponsored genocide.
- ceejayoz 6y ago
  > It's shocking to try to put any positive spin on this. I'm not. I'm saying "What the Chinese have done to the Uyghur is bad" is a perfectly fine statement. I object to stuff like "stop whining about conditions in ICE detention when there's stuff like the Uyghur genocide happening". It's generally done in bad faith.
  - echelon 6y ago
    I agree. I wasn't doing that, and I explicitly called that point out. I don't think the OP was trying to shift blame either. I also think the incoming administration will do a lot to fix it. I don't see any change in China's Uyghur strategy without strong international posturing.
- klyrs 6y ago
  Yes, China is doing a bad thing (understatement of the century). When the world moved against apartheid in South Africa, trade with them stopped altogether. Apple phones, and a million other consumer products, are still coming over from China. Stopping that would be a good start. But then we've got TikTok, which some American lefties are using to exercise their free speech. The ticket-buying campaign around Trump's rally in Tulsa really seemed to ignite Trump's ire. Is this about the atrocities, is it about national security, or is it about Trump's ego? I can get behind the first, I'm weary about the second, and cannot tolerate the third.

DobryMorozov 6y ago

How many deaths has this genocide produced? All the information on this comes from just a few American sources

bigbubba 6y ago
That is a bald faced lie. The information comes from Uyghurs who managed to escape. The true scale of the genocide will likely not be known until/unless the CCP is dismantled and its members put on trial.