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I read that article too and mentioned it in my first sentence. That's the article that Stratechery pulled their figures from. The validity of that article and

by parsimo2010 6y ago

I read that article too and mentioned it in my first sentence. That's the article that Stratechery pulled their figures from. The validity of that article and those benchmarks is what I'm doubting. Will the new Macbooks with M1 chips compare favorably against Intel laptops with low power and fanless designs? Yeah. Is the existing A14 chip faster than than a 10900k (even in single threaded performance)? No way. There is something in the benchmark that is messed up to the point where you can't compare them.

yzmtf2008 6y ago
See the neighbor comment. If i7-1165G7 (a 28W part) can be faster than 10900k, there’s no reason M1 couldn’t be faster.
- muro 6y ago
  the question is "for how long" - if it heats up and throttles after a few seconds, desktop CPUs will still have a major advantage for longer tasks.
  - DeRock 6y ago
    2/3 devices announced yesterday come with active cooling (MacBook Pro 13" and Mac mini).
    - barkingcat 6y ago
      Apple active cooling systems are also not that great, with the six core MBP15" heating and throttling when it was first released, and the MBP 16" also having heating/throttling issues. The Mac Mini also isn't the paragon of active cooling. I've worked with one of the current gen Intel Mac Minis, and that thing gets really hot! Like 60-80 degrees celcius. The insides must be cooking if the outside is that hot. The 2013 Mac Pro also had heating design issues, only corrected with the current gen Mac Pro. I'd say active cooling is a consistent weakness of the entire modern Mac hardware design division.
      - fomine3 6y ago
        Apple's cooling design isn't great for cooling (maybe great for visual?), but it should be advantage for Apple Silicon compared to Intel CPU on the same Mac.
        the_lucifer 6y ago
        I mean the whole point of Apple Silicon is that since it's all made by Apple they can control how much heat their MacBooks generate now
kergonath 6y ago
So you have no idea why, but you are certain they are wrong? There are several sibling comments with lots of reasons why a lower-power core could perform better than an outdated desktop one.

yzmtf2008 6y ago

See the neighbor comment. If i7-1165G7 (a 28W part) can be faster than 10900k, there’s no reason M1 couldn’t be faster.

muro 6y ago
the question is "for how long" - if it heats up and throttles after a few seconds, desktop CPUs will still have a major advantage for longer tasks.
- DeRock 6y ago
  2/3 devices announced yesterday come with active cooling (MacBook Pro 13" and Mac mini).
  - barkingcat 6y ago
    Apple active cooling systems are also not that great, with the six core MBP15" heating and throttling when it was first released, and the MBP 16" also having heating/throttling issues. The Mac Mini also isn't the paragon of active cooling. I've worked with one of the current gen Intel Mac Minis, and that thing gets really hot! Like 60-80 degrees celcius. The insides must be cooking if the outside is that hot. The 2013 Mac Pro also had heating design issues, only corrected with the current gen Mac Pro. I'd say active cooling is a consistent weakness of the entire modern Mac hardware design division.
    - fomine3 6y ago
      Apple's cooling design isn't great for cooling (maybe great for visual?), but it should be advantage for Apple Silicon compared to Intel CPU on the same Mac.
      - the_lucifer 6y ago
        I mean the whole point of Apple Silicon is that since it's all made by Apple they can control how much heat their MacBooks generate now

kergonath 6y ago

So you have no idea why, but you are certain they are wrong? There are several sibling comments with lots of reasons why a lower-power core could perform better than an outdated desktop one.