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Many of these “working class” folks aren’t voting Trump because they are mesmerized or duped by him, they are voting Trump to stop or “stick it” to the most lef

Many of these “working class” folks aren’t voting Trump because they are mesmerized or duped by him, they are voting Trump to stop or “stick it” to the most left wing (and loudest) fringe of the Democrat party. If the Dem party just flat out denounced Defund Police / Green New Deal / Critical Race Theory etc and consolidated around a moderate platform they would effectively end the Republican Party.

tyleo 6y ago
I am a dem voter but have felt this way myself. However, I only _feel_ this way. I'm curious whether there is any substantial evidence to back this claim up.
dublinben 6y ago
Do you have any evidence that this is a driving factor for significant numbers of voters?
bradjohnson 6y ago
> If progressives stopped being progressive, they'd attract more conservatives to their cause Voting Democrat is already the compromise.
AlexandrB 6y ago
That's literally Biden's campaign. Yet the Republican Party didn't end.
- tbihl 6y ago
  See Biden's answers to packing the court or regarding green new deal in the first debate. WBW synopsis will suffice.
godshatter 6y ago
I think just not calling rural whites "deplorables", "uneducated hicks", or "trailer trash" would go a long way. Most of the people I know who voted for Trump aren't "deplorables", they are hard-working salt-of-the-earth people who would come plow out your driveway if they saw you struggling to clear the snow with a shovel or cook you a meal if they learned you just lost a loved one. Are there rural people that aren't that kind of people? Sure. But they exist everywhere. What's missing is respect. That alone would lead to some healing in this country, especially if it came from both sides.
- jfengel 6y ago
  The "deplorables" speech was one reference in one speech. They seized on it because they're convinced that we hate them. They seize on any signal and tell each other, over and over, that it's Democratic policy. And now they're right. They're ignorant fucks, and I'm done reaching out to them. Time for them to reach out to me. They can shove their snowplow where the sun don't shine. They can stop voting for the people who do use hateful language, over and over, as policy. They just turned out to vote for a person who was demonstrably incompetent, and their visions of his opponent were delusional -- he never once called them any of the things you say. Until they stop doing that, they will remain correct that I have no respect for them.

tyleo 6y ago

I am a dem voter but have felt this way myself. However, I only _feel_ this way. I'm curious whether there is any substantial evidence to back this claim up.

dublinben 6y ago

Do you have any evidence that this is a driving factor for significant numbers of voters?

bradjohnson 6y ago

> If progressives stopped being progressive, they'd attract more conservatives to their cause Voting Democrat is already the compromise.

AlexandrB 6y ago

That's literally Biden's campaign. Yet the Republican Party didn't end.

tbihl 6y ago
See Biden's answers to packing the court or regarding green new deal in the first debate. WBW synopsis will suffice.

godshatter 6y ago

I think just not calling rural whites "deplorables", "uneducated hicks", or "trailer trash" would go a long way. Most of the people I know who voted for Trump aren't "deplorables", they are hard-working salt-of-the-earth people who would come plow out your driveway if they saw you struggling to clear the snow with a shovel or cook you a meal if they learned you just lost a loved one. Are there rural people that aren't that kind of people? Sure. But they exist everywhere. What's missing is respect. That alone would lead to some healing in this country, especially if it came from both sides.

jfengel 6y ago
The "deplorables" speech was one reference in one speech. They seized on it because they're convinced that we hate them. They seize on any signal and tell each other, over and over, that it's Democratic policy. And now they're right. They're ignorant fucks, and I'm done reaching out to them. Time for them to reach out to me. They can shove their snowplow where the sun don't shine. They can stop voting for the people who do use hateful language, over and over, as policy. They just turned out to vote for a person who was demonstrably incompetent, and their visions of his opponent were delusional -- he never once called them any of the things you say. Until they stop doing that, they will remain correct that I have no respect for them.