umunhum: > when I first started going breathless I could feel different levels of intensity in my meditations. When there was still the turmoil of movement flo

umunhum: > when I first started going breathless I could feel different levels of intensity in my meditations. When there was still the turmoil of movement floating around in my diaphragm, there was still thought. It was far less than in the ordinary state of breathing but I could tell that the goal was to stop all movement which definitely would require a complete seal of the nasal passage. Then I could achieve a state of mind in a few minutes that would take hours within the limits of my present capabilities. > Even if I stopped breathing and remained motionless for 8 hours, microscopically there was still going to be movement in the diaphragm coming from the open nasal passage. If you could seal off all of the openings to the body and get an air tight seal, you could apply pressure internally into the system and slow everything down in possibly minutes as to opposed to 8 hours or who knows how long it would take. This would require a tongue long enough to seal off the nasal passage. > The thought has come to me that if I completely stop every slightest bit of movement in the diaphragm and the mind is completely shut off, does the circulatory system then become the next thing that you have to shut down? When there is food in the system, the body has work to do and must move. Which again takes us back to kechari because the Amrit that is secreted when the pituitary and pineal glands are stimulated, allows the body to live without food and water ending the necessity to eliminate anything. > Since we can never understand what God is through our limited senses, it makes more sense to spend your time trying to understand the mechanical aspects of the body that allow us to shut down what is limiting our perception, than using this mind to gain an understanding of what samadhi or God is through book knowledge. One liberating thing about where I'm at is the concept of Hell becomes a joke. We're already trapped in a prison. I guess it could be worse if we were put into a vehicle that needed more external things to keep it functioning properly, had less ability to obtain them and had even more senses and mental activity to experience the discord. One would start thinking that God is a sadist and I don't believe that. Suhas_Tambe: > Patanjali has given one process of how to still the mind which has a break through point of pratyahara - non-attacment. When we perceive we unsettle the potential energy of the perceived object and that resonates in our senses to trigger thinking. When we think we get attached. If we learn not to perceive by setting aside the thinking process the mind is made non-attached and our core is still. The objects of the world have life within and life spells movements. By not attaching to it we achieve stillness which works on the primary cause.