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Seriously. That alone has been one of the big things keeping me firmly in Logic Pro's camp. I'm also glad they're starting to add more instruments to the defau

Seriously. That alone has been one of the big things keeping me firmly in Logic Pro's camp. I'm also glad they're starting to add more instruments to the default package (notably, finally; a proper 'Upright Piano') - as the value proposition of Ableton Standard at $400 vs Logic Pro at $200 has been extremely one-sided in Logic's favour for many, many years now. I do understand, of course; I'm strictly speaking as a Mac user. I honestly have no idea about the DAW landscape for PC's. I am extremely reliant on exporting songs from GarageBand on my iPhone as I create beats on the go quite often - and opening those .garageband files in Logic Pro to seriously hone in on the sounds, keeping the original instruments and MIDI intact. It's an irreplaceable ecosystem for me.

timrichard 6y ago
It looks like a good update, but I'm starting to give up hope on seeing ARA2 as a feature... :-( Something that wasn't a problem for $200 Logic Pro or even $60 Reaper (with their two-person dev team).
- galaxyLogic 6y ago
  What is ARA2?
  - detaro 6y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_Random_Access https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_Random_Access
  - timrichard 6y ago
    Following on from the link of the other poster, the Random Access part allows plugins like Melodyne to "see" all the audio data that's on the track all at once, without you having to transfer it inside the plugin manually. You just start working with it seamlessly in an edit window. It's a neat idea.
- lostgame 6y ago
  I am consistently pleasantly surprised by the way Apple consistently updates Logic with only more and more layers of impressive features. ARA2 support was fantastic - so was their buyout of Camel's Alchemy. Alchemy alone added a ton of value to Logic, and it came as a .x upgrade. Fantastic. EDIT: One of the only selling points of an iPad I can think of is using it on a stand with Logic Remote as an actual digital mixing window. The experience is unparalleled.
breakfastduck 6y ago
Hard to compare price, Logic is crazy underpriced because it’s existence brings in so many Mac users. It undercuts other daws by a mile because of that. However, what you get with ableton live suite is well worth the money. It’s good value. But I’d still always run any DAW on a Mac. No audio drivers on windows beat CoreAudio on macOS.
- pier25 6y ago
  > No audio drivers on windows beat CoreAudio on macOS. It's true that generally speaking CoreAudio drivers are better, but then you have RME drivers on Windows which are just as rock solid.
dumpsterdiver 6y ago
Speaking of instruments, after purchasing the Native Instruments Kontakt piano plugins: The Giant, The Maverick, The Grandeur, The Gentleman and Una Corda - I can never go back to the instruments provided with the DAW. The NI instruments mentioned above are just so head and shoulder above the rest, imo. My favorite is The Giant using either the "emotional" or "intimate" preset. Feel free to tweak those presets if you want, but good luck sounding better, it's already amazing.
- breakfastduck 6y ago
  The Giant emotional preset is fantastic. Really is miles ahead of any piano sounds included in any DAW I’ve tried.
- lostgame 6y ago
  I agree. The Giant is messed up. So phenomenal. :)

timrichard 6y ago

It looks like a good update, but I'm starting to give up hope on seeing ARA2 as a feature... :-( Something that wasn't a problem for $200 Logic Pro or even $60 Reaper (with their two-person dev team).

galaxyLogic 6y ago
What is ARA2?
- detaro 6y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_Random_Access https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_Random_Access
- timrichard 6y ago
  Following on from the link of the other poster, the Random Access part allows plugins like Melodyne to "see" all the audio data that's on the track all at once, without you having to transfer it inside the plugin manually. You just start working with it seamlessly in an edit window. It's a neat idea.
lostgame 6y ago
I am consistently pleasantly surprised by the way Apple consistently updates Logic with only more and more layers of impressive features. ARA2 support was fantastic - so was their buyout of Camel's Alchemy. Alchemy alone added a ton of value to Logic, and it came as a .x upgrade. Fantastic. EDIT: One of the only selling points of an iPad I can think of is using it on a stand with Logic Remote as an actual digital mixing window. The experience is unparalleled.

breakfastduck 6y ago

Hard to compare price, Logic is crazy underpriced because it’s existence brings in so many Mac users. It undercuts other daws by a mile because of that. However, what you get with ableton live suite is well worth the money. It’s good value. But I’d still always run any DAW on a Mac. No audio drivers on windows beat CoreAudio on macOS.

pier25 6y ago
> No audio drivers on windows beat CoreAudio on macOS. It's true that generally speaking CoreAudio drivers are better, but then you have RME drivers on Windows which are just as rock solid.

dumpsterdiver 6y ago

Speaking of instruments, after purchasing the Native Instruments Kontakt piano plugins: The Giant, The Maverick, The Grandeur, The Gentleman and Una Corda - I can never go back to the instruments provided with the DAW. The NI instruments mentioned above are just so head and shoulder above the rest, imo. My favorite is The Giant using either the "emotional" or "intimate" preset. Feel free to tweak those presets if you want, but good luck sounding better, it's already amazing.

breakfastduck 6y ago
The Giant emotional preset is fantastic. Really is miles ahead of any piano sounds included in any DAW I’ve tried.
lostgame 6y ago
I agree. The Giant is messed up. So phenomenal. :)