5 ms·

But I want their integrated ecosystem much more than I want to "own my hardware". If you take that away, I lose instead of gain.

fabianhjr 6y ago
Another option would be to vertically integrate most companies and since that is anticompetitive the resulting company could become a public state owned enterprise. I do prefer that alternative and if you take that away, I lose instead of gain.
username90 6y ago
Why not buy a phone with software apples integrated ecosystem preinstalled? There are lots of solutions like that already, just that they all suck. If software apple existed then you would have more options for properly locked down phones without sucky software since now you could put it on hardware from other manufacturers than hardware apple.
- briandear 6y ago
  > Why not buy a phone with software apples integrated ecosystem preinstalled? I can already do that. There's a company called Apple that makes exactly that hardware.
  - username90 6y ago
    So why would splitting Apple up hurt you? Just buy hardware and software from the two Apple companies and you are set. However I am pretty sure a lot of people with less money than you would like to buy a cheap phone and put Apples software on it.
    - nsxwolf 6y ago
      I have an iPhone, and iPad, multiple Macs, and a watch. They all work together in a myriad of interesting ways as a seamless unit, and all I have to do is set up one device with my iCloud address. This is made possible due to Apple being in control of the hardware and software. If there's a way to do this as easily with a mix of Linux, Windows, and Android devices, I haven't seen it. Linux laptops can't even do something as seemingly simple as sleep and wake reliably because it's actually not simple, and the hardware and software people don't talk to each other to make it work. This is the kind of stuff I don't want to lose.
      - jpetso 6y ago
        There are Linux integrators who make plenty damn sure that suspend and other features work well. Instead of comparing against random mix-and-match scenarios, it would be fair to compare with products that are going for similar integration without curtailing user freedoms. Now, you may not be a fan of their limited market power and subsequent inability to dictate everything else about the platform to the software ecosystem or adjacent devices. That would be a fair criticism. Apple's animosity towards open standards for accessing device functionality or cross-device communication does allow them to move faster. At the expense of the rest of the market.

fabianhjr 6y ago

Another option would be to vertically integrate most companies and since that is anticompetitive the resulting company could become a public state owned enterprise. I do prefer that alternative and if you take that away, I lose instead of gain.

username90 6y ago

Why not buy a phone with software apples integrated ecosystem preinstalled? There are lots of solutions like that already, just that they all suck. If software apple existed then you would have more options for properly locked down phones without sucky software since now you could put it on hardware from other manufacturers than hardware apple.

briandear 6y ago
> Why not buy a phone with software apples integrated ecosystem preinstalled? I can already do that. There's a company called Apple that makes exactly that hardware.
- username90 6y ago
  So why would splitting Apple up hurt you? Just buy hardware and software from the two Apple companies and you are set. However I am pretty sure a lot of people with less money than you would like to buy a cheap phone and put Apples software on it.
  - nsxwolf 6y ago
    I have an iPhone, and iPad, multiple Macs, and a watch. They all work together in a myriad of interesting ways as a seamless unit, and all I have to do is set up one device with my iCloud address. This is made possible due to Apple being in control of the hardware and software. If there's a way to do this as easily with a mix of Linux, Windows, and Android devices, I haven't seen it. Linux laptops can't even do something as seemingly simple as sleep and wake reliably because it's actually not simple, and the hardware and software people don't talk to each other to make it work. This is the kind of stuff I don't want to lose.
    - jpetso 6y ago
      There are Linux integrators who make plenty damn sure that suspend and other features work well. Instead of comparing against random mix-and-match scenarios, it would be fair to compare with products that are going for similar integration without curtailing user freedoms. Now, you may not be a fan of their limited market power and subsequent inability to dictate everything else about the platform to the software ecosystem or adjacent devices. That would be a fair criticism. Apple's animosity towards open standards for accessing device functionality or cross-device communication does allow them to move faster. At the expense of the rest of the market.