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It's plenty professional, just not portable. The problem is that just like with the iPhone, the pro line has just become the high class line so people buy it fo

It's plenty professional, just not portable. The problem is that just like with the iPhone, the pro line has just become the high class line so people buy it for the bling factor. They need to make a dev or nerd line or whatever marketing decides to call it. This would be more configurable and not thin and light just for the sake of being thinner and light that last year's model.

Schiendelman 6y ago
What PC are you thinking about that is both powerful and portable?
hyperdimension 6y ago
> just not portable That's because the base model doesn't come with Apple Wheel. They're only 700$.
- capableweb 6y ago
  This is the third time I read this comment and lightly smiled. Wasn't until now that it occurred to me that "Apple Wheel" might actually be a real product. Lo and behold, it's 4 cart wheels that retails for $699, I'm not even joking. https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MX572ZM/A/apple-mac-pro-wheels-kit https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MX572ZM/A/apple-mac-pro-w...
  - hyperdimension 6y ago
    Yeah, I'm mostly picking on Apple and their ardent refusal to use articles ('on [an] iPhone...', 'We've made [the] iPad xxx times faster') which drives me crazy for some reason, and also nodding to The Onion's aardvark 'Macbook Wheel' spoof. It could go either way.
    - gumby 6y ago
      the pretentiousness of it bugs me too, and I use an iPhone, an iPad, and Mac.
  - jusujusu 6y ago
    In euros they sell it for €849, or about $1k.
NovemberWhiskey 6y ago
But this product segmentation is not at all new. Apple has never had a "pro" workstation-style laptop like the Thinkpad P. The MacBook Pro line has always been relatively-thin, relatively-light, not-very-upgradable: going back almost fifteen years. I agree that Apple isn't trying to serve the market for "portable workstation", but they never really have, so why do you say they have lost their way? It's also worth saying you can still buy a 16" MacBook Pro with an 8-core i9 processor, 64GB of RAM, a Radeon Pro 5600M with 8GB of RAM, 8TB of SSD storage - a specification that's hardly "casual".
- gumby 6y ago
  > Apple has never had a "pro" workstation-style laptop like the Thinkpad P. The MacBook Pro line has always been relatively-thin, relatively-light, not-very-upgradable: going back almost fifteen years. The 17" lunch trays were that product, and were bought by people who wanted to edit photos in the field or get a lot of spreadsheet cells on the display. They had the highest performance as well.
  - robertoandred 6y ago
    They were just as thin and upgradable as the other PowerBooks/MacBook Pros.

Schiendelman 6y ago

What PC are you thinking about that is both powerful and portable?

hyperdimension 6y ago

> just not portable That's because the base model doesn't come with Apple Wheel. They're only 700$.

capableweb 6y ago
This is the third time I read this comment and lightly smiled. Wasn't until now that it occurred to me that "Apple Wheel" might actually be a real product. Lo and behold, it's 4 cart wheels that retails for $699, I'm not even joking. https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MX572ZM/A/apple-mac-pro-wheels-kit https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MX572ZM/A/apple-mac-pro-w...
- hyperdimension 6y ago
  Yeah, I'm mostly picking on Apple and their ardent refusal to use articles ('on [an] iPhone...', 'We've made [the] iPad xxx times faster') which drives me crazy for some reason, and also nodding to The Onion's aardvark 'Macbook Wheel' spoof. It could go either way.
  - gumby 6y ago
    the pretentiousness of it bugs me too, and I use an iPhone, an iPad, and Mac.
- jusujusu 6y ago
  In euros they sell it for €849, or about $1k.

NovemberWhiskey 6y ago

But this product segmentation is not at all new. Apple has never had a "pro" workstation-style laptop like the Thinkpad P. The MacBook Pro line has always been relatively-thin, relatively-light, not-very-upgradable: going back almost fifteen years. I agree that Apple isn't trying to serve the market for "portable workstation", but they never really have, so why do you say they have lost their way? It's also worth saying you can still buy a 16" MacBook Pro with an 8-core i9 processor, 64GB of RAM, a Radeon Pro 5600M with 8GB of RAM, 8TB of SSD storage - a specification that's hardly "casual".

gumby 6y ago
> Apple has never had a "pro" workstation-style laptop like the Thinkpad P. The MacBook Pro line has always been relatively-thin, relatively-light, not-very-upgradable: going back almost fifteen years. The 17" lunch trays were that product, and were bought by people who wanted to edit photos in the field or get a lot of spreadsheet cells on the display. They had the highest performance as well.
- robertoandred 6y ago
  They were just as thin and upgradable as the other PowerBooks/MacBook Pros.