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I like the way the author says PAL/NTSC video triggering is obsolete, when it's used every day for timing purposes in a broadcast facility.

myself248 6y ago
I'm surprised to hear that, having been a volunteer at an e-waste recycler several years ago when entire truckloads of NTSC equipment came in. Over the span of about 8 months, I think three or four separate local studios upgraded to digital and completely ditched NTSC. Waveform monitors, U-Matic decks, switchers and effects consoles, you name it. Who's still using CVBS, and for what?
- Cthulhu_ 6y ago
  Does the e-waste recycler assess whether the incoming hardware is still functional and should be preserved, or is it required (by contract) to destroy / recycle the hardware?
  - jacquesm 6y ago
    Both, depending on who they contract with. If it is manufacturers that are trying to control their secondary market you have to provide proof that gear was scrapped (usually, for instance by extracting some critical component and returning those as proof of scrapping). When gear is at the end of its service life and is returned in bulk lots of various bits and pieces of equipment there is an assessment made whether all or part can still be sold on the secondary market (typically: ebay lots).
  - myself248 6y ago
    Wipe the data, resell anything they can find a market for, recycle the rest.
- segfaultbuserr 6y ago
  > NTSC Waveform monitors NTSC waveform monitors and vectorscopes are amazing instruments. For example, only with them you can see the true color (pun intended) of the STMPT color bars on TVs - the iconic staircase waveform [0] and its corresponding curve on the vectorscope [1]. They are how the color bars were intended to be viewed. During my recent hunt for test equipment, I was still able to find a lot of waveform monitors and vectorscopes in usable conditions. Unfortunately, I couldn't find any reason to buy one - it will be a complete waste of money and room space since these instruments have became totally useless with zero utility. You don't even have a signal to probe anymore, unlike a vintage computer or an oscilloscope which can still be used and even serve a practical need... To think about it, they'll continue to be stored in an abandoned warehouse collecting dust and rust indefinitely until someone sends them to a metal scrapyard. It's really sad. [0] https://i.stack.imgur.com/cIQVf.png https://i.stack.imgur.com/cIQVf.png [1] https://www.danalee.ca/ttt/images/7/vectorscope_bars_big.jpg https://www.danalee.ca/ttt/images/7/vectorscope_bars_big.jpg
  - myself248 6y ago
    There are enough folks around the vintagecomputing community, there must be a parallel world of vintage studio gear, eh? Someone's gonna be nostalgic enough for the NTSC/VHS look someday, to pay top dollar for original hardware. Anyway, I noticed something about the parent comment that I missed earlier -- "for timing purposes". Huh, like I guess the concept of genlock probably still exists, and they're probably passing around a test pattern or black frame or something just as a common sync reference signal? (For similar reasons, a lot of telecom gear uses a 1.544Mbps "all ones T1" signal for sync, even if there isn't a real T1 circuit anywhere.)
beervirus 6y ago
Nobody broadcasts PAL or NTSC anymore.
- mcwhy 6y ago
  but movies are still 24000/1001 fps
  - beervirus 6y ago
    Well sure, but that's just the frame rate. These triggering modes are about specific components of the NTSC/PAL broadcast signal, and that is indeed obsolete.

myself248 6y ago

I'm surprised to hear that, having been a volunteer at an e-waste recycler several years ago when entire truckloads of NTSC equipment came in. Over the span of about 8 months, I think three or four separate local studios upgraded to digital and completely ditched NTSC. Waveform monitors, U-Matic decks, switchers and effects consoles, you name it. Who's still using CVBS, and for what?

Cthulhu_ 6y ago
Does the e-waste recycler assess whether the incoming hardware is still functional and should be preserved, or is it required (by contract) to destroy / recycle the hardware?
- jacquesm 6y ago
  Both, depending on who they contract with. If it is manufacturers that are trying to control their secondary market you have to provide proof that gear was scrapped (usually, for instance by extracting some critical component and returning those as proof of scrapping). When gear is at the end of its service life and is returned in bulk lots of various bits and pieces of equipment there is an assessment made whether all or part can still be sold on the secondary market (typically: ebay lots).
- myself248 6y ago
  Wipe the data, resell anything they can find a market for, recycle the rest.
segfaultbuserr 6y ago
> NTSC Waveform monitors NTSC waveform monitors and vectorscopes are amazing instruments. For example, only with them you can see the true color (pun intended) of the STMPT color bars on TVs - the iconic staircase waveform [0] and its corresponding curve on the vectorscope [1]. They are how the color bars were intended to be viewed. During my recent hunt for test equipment, I was still able to find a lot of waveform monitors and vectorscopes in usable conditions. Unfortunately, I couldn't find any reason to buy one - it will be a complete waste of money and room space since these instruments have became totally useless with zero utility. You don't even have a signal to probe anymore, unlike a vintage computer or an oscilloscope which can still be used and even serve a practical need... To think about it, they'll continue to be stored in an abandoned warehouse collecting dust and rust indefinitely until someone sends them to a metal scrapyard. It's really sad. [0] https://i.stack.imgur.com/cIQVf.png https://i.stack.imgur.com/cIQVf.png [1] https://www.danalee.ca/ttt/images/7/vectorscope_bars_big.jpg https://www.danalee.ca/ttt/images/7/vectorscope_bars_big.jpg
- myself248 6y ago
  There are enough folks around the vintagecomputing community, there must be a parallel world of vintage studio gear, eh? Someone's gonna be nostalgic enough for the NTSC/VHS look someday, to pay top dollar for original hardware. Anyway, I noticed something about the parent comment that I missed earlier -- "for timing purposes". Huh, like I guess the concept of genlock probably still exists, and they're probably passing around a test pattern or black frame or something just as a common sync reference signal? (For similar reasons, a lot of telecom gear uses a 1.544Mbps "all ones T1" signal for sync, even if there isn't a real T1 circuit anywhere.)

beervirus 6y ago

Nobody broadcasts PAL or NTSC anymore.

mcwhy 6y ago
but movies are still 24000/1001 fps
- beervirus 6y ago
  Well sure, but that's just the frame rate. These triggering modes are about specific components of the NTSC/PAL broadcast signal, and that is indeed obsolete.