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Rightfully so. The gynocentric society that we live in provides much more opportunities and privileges to young girls as compared to young boys. Eg: - There is

Rightfully so. The gynocentric society that we live in provides much more opportunities and privileges to young girls as compared to young boys. Eg: - There is a wage gap in favor of women for people younger than 30, that absolutely no one talks about. - Young men are more likely to be victims of false accusations, because women are never reprimanded for falsely accusing anyone. - Men get longer sentences for similar crimes as compared to women. - Young men who want to start families are in tough luck because more and more women do not want to bear children until early to late thirties.

ZGDUwpqEWpUZ 6y ago
Men are more likely to be victims of sexual abuse by women that goes politically unacknowledged as well. The numbers [1] are actually quite astonishing if you look at them: [1] https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/sexual-victimization-by-women-is-more-common-than-previously-known/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/sexual-victimizat...
claudiawerner 6y ago
>- Young men are more likely to be victims of false accusations, because women are never reprimanded for falsely accusing anyone. If we were to compare this statistic honestly with what women experience, we'd find that women experience sexual assault at a much higher rate than men are falsely accused of it. It's hard for me to see this as a 'privilege' we afford "young women". >because more and more women do not want to bear children until early to late thirties. Why is "tough luck" always a bad thing? Why did you list this as a 'privilege' that women have when it's just a case of exercising reproductive agency? I'm sure we can name a myriad of things women also look for in relationships but don't get.
- michaelscott 6y ago
  > If we were to compare this statistic honestly with what women experience, we'd find that women experience sexual assault at a much higher rate than men are falsely accused of it. It's hard for me to see this as a 'privilege' we afford "young women". This is a related, but separate problem. I'm not personally a fan of Injustice Olympics so I'm not going to compare the two and see which is worse; they're both terrible and they both need to be solved (as much as any such societal problems can be "solved"), but OP was specifically referring to false accusations against men which, granted, are asymmetrically punished. Consider the punishment a man receives when he is found to have sexually harassed a woman (both societally and legally) vs. the punishment a woman receives when she is discovered to have falsely accused someone (again, both societally and legally).
  - claudiawerner 6y ago
    >This is a related, but separate problem. I think they're both side effects of how sexual injustice and rape is managed and treated by the justice system, and they concern violations of the same laws. However, the fact that to my knowledge false accusations are dealt with under other laws (relating to perjury, lying to law enforcement, fabrication of evidence), it's a lot easier to see why falsa accusations are prosecuted as they are, and why the law in this area focuses more on the justice system more than it does the effects on the accused. Compare to libel and slander cases which occupy the other end of the spectrum. >specifically referring to false accusations against men which, granted, are asymmetrically punished The person who has been accused has no choice but to go through the legal system to fight it. I'm not sure how we can compare the pre-judicial offences when, for example, an instance of rape may never reach the courts at all. And this is all on the assumption that rape laws both fulfill and properly execute their intenitions, with an appropriate meaning of consent, which I no longer believe to be true. In terms of frequency of the acts themselves, rape may be equally or less frequently punished (speaking proportionally) than false accusations are. This is because many rapes (rape defined according to how the law defines it) never reach the justice system. Almost all false accusations must go through the justice system, because the accusations are almost always reported to through the legal system (this is how they have their social effect). The accuser will be prompted to go through the justice system at every turn to prove their case. >vs. the punishment a woman receives when she is discovered to have falsely accused someone (again, both societally and legally). Firstly I want to question if this is empirically true or only folk observation/intuition. Are people judged to have falsely accused in a court of law treated so much better? How do we know how people respond to it? Generally, we all lie, and sometimes to get our own way. I'm not justifying egregious and life-ruining lies at all, and they should be punished - but lying is seen as a whole lot less serious, or at least sufficiently qualitatively different, for people to react in different ways to the matter. A rape may be seen as pathological, while a lie may only be seen as extreme. There are quite a few injustices (including ones I think are not dealt with correctly, or there shouldn't be a law at all), but some are greater than others (or perceived to be), as a matter of quality or scale. Rape is both more frequent, even though there is some disagreement if it is more serious (at least in all cases). Generally, we protect more against higher probability lower penalty events than we do against much lower probability debatably higher penalty events - and the legal system reflects that.
- edbob 6y ago
  While I somewhat agree with GP, your two posts here make some very valid points that are a significant contribution to the discussion. I don't know who's downvoting you, but it's BS so I just wanted to point out that you are being listened to and that your argument should not be suppressed.
watwut 6y ago
> - Young men who want to start families are in tough luck because more and more women do not want to bear children until early to late thirties. Basically, you are saying that males are more family oriented then women and more likely to want kids? Around me, yes it seems that often it is man who wants more children then woman (who is more likely to not like impact another kid would have on her), but the stereotype was the opposite.
vladTheInhaler 6y ago
If you looked more closely, I think you would find that women are reprimanded regardless of whether their accusations are false or not. The very act of bringing an accusation triggers an incredible amount of negative publicity and hostility. No sane person would voluntarily subject themselves to that. Hence why so many sexual assaults go unreported.
- nailer 6y ago
  This is the 'no true Scotsman' fallacy rebranded to 'no sane woman'.
voxl 6y ago
The great comedy is that you have provided no sources for your claims, some of which I think are false or overstated, some of which I think are true. But, a person who replied to you, with a source, about men being victims of sexual violence by women is down voted to the point that you can't reply to it! Yes, men can't be victims of sexual assault by a woman, because having sex is the male modus operandi! I would blame HN for having a garbage community at this point but the reality is you'll see the same behavior on reddit or anywhere, society wide a male rape victim by a woman gets a high five, not trauma therapy.

ZGDUwpqEWpUZ 6y ago

Men are more likely to be victims of sexual abuse by women that goes politically unacknowledged as well. The numbers [1] are actually quite astonishing if you look at them: [1] https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/sexual-victimization-by-women-is-more-common-than-previously-known/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/sexual-victimizat...

claudiawerner 6y ago

>- Young men are more likely to be victims of false accusations, because women are never reprimanded for falsely accusing anyone. If we were to compare this statistic honestly with what women experience, we'd find that women experience sexual assault at a much higher rate than men are falsely accused of it. It's hard for me to see this as a 'privilege' we afford "young women". >because more and more women do not want to bear children until early to late thirties. Why is "tough luck" always a bad thing? Why did you list this as a 'privilege' that women have when it's just a case of exercising reproductive agency? I'm sure we can name a myriad of things women also look for in relationships but don't get.

michaelscott 6y ago
> If we were to compare this statistic honestly with what women experience, we'd find that women experience sexual assault at a much higher rate than men are falsely accused of it. It's hard for me to see this as a 'privilege' we afford "young women". This is a related, but separate problem. I'm not personally a fan of Injustice Olympics so I'm not going to compare the two and see which is worse; they're both terrible and they both need to be solved (as much as any such societal problems can be "solved"), but OP was specifically referring to false accusations against men which, granted, are asymmetrically punished. Consider the punishment a man receives when he is found to have sexually harassed a woman (both societally and legally) vs. the punishment a woman receives when she is discovered to have falsely accused someone (again, both societally and legally).
- claudiawerner 6y ago
  >This is a related, but separate problem. I think they're both side effects of how sexual injustice and rape is managed and treated by the justice system, and they concern violations of the same laws. However, the fact that to my knowledge false accusations are dealt with under other laws (relating to perjury, lying to law enforcement, fabrication of evidence), it's a lot easier to see why falsa accusations are prosecuted as they are, and why the law in this area focuses more on the justice system more than it does the effects on the accused. Compare to libel and slander cases which occupy the other end of the spectrum. >specifically referring to false accusations against men which, granted, are asymmetrically punished The person who has been accused has no choice but to go through the legal system to fight it. I'm not sure how we can compare the pre-judicial offences when, for example, an instance of rape may never reach the courts at all. And this is all on the assumption that rape laws both fulfill and properly execute their intenitions, with an appropriate meaning of consent, which I no longer believe to be true. In terms of frequency of the acts themselves, rape may be equally or less frequently punished (speaking proportionally) than false accusations are. This is because many rapes (rape defined according to how the law defines it) never reach the justice system. Almost all false accusations must go through the justice system, because the accusations are almost always reported to through the legal system (this is how they have their social effect). The accuser will be prompted to go through the justice system at every turn to prove their case. >vs. the punishment a woman receives when she is discovered to have falsely accused someone (again, both societally and legally). Firstly I want to question if this is empirically true or only folk observation/intuition. Are people judged to have falsely accused in a court of law treated so much better? How do we know how people respond to it? Generally, we all lie, and sometimes to get our own way. I'm not justifying egregious and life-ruining lies at all, and they should be punished - but lying is seen as a whole lot less serious, or at least sufficiently qualitatively different, for people to react in different ways to the matter. A rape may be seen as pathological, while a lie may only be seen as extreme. There are quite a few injustices (including ones I think are not dealt with correctly, or there shouldn't be a law at all), but some are greater than others (or perceived to be), as a matter of quality or scale. Rape is both more frequent, even though there is some disagreement if it is more serious (at least in all cases). Generally, we protect more against higher probability lower penalty events than we do against much lower probability debatably higher penalty events - and the legal system reflects that.
edbob 6y ago
While I somewhat agree with GP, your two posts here make some very valid points that are a significant contribution to the discussion. I don't know who's downvoting you, but it's BS so I just wanted to point out that you are being listened to and that your argument should not be suppressed.

watwut 6y ago

> - Young men who want to start families are in tough luck because more and more women do not want to bear children until early to late thirties. Basically, you are saying that males are more family oriented then women and more likely to want kids? Around me, yes it seems that often it is man who wants more children then woman (who is more likely to not like impact another kid would have on her), but the stereotype was the opposite.

vladTheInhaler 6y ago

If you looked more closely, I think you would find that women are reprimanded regardless of whether their accusations are false or not. The very act of bringing an accusation triggers an incredible amount of negative publicity and hostility. No sane person would voluntarily subject themselves to that. Hence why so many sexual assaults go unreported.

nailer 6y ago
This is the 'no true Scotsman' fallacy rebranded to 'no sane woman'.

voxl 6y ago

The great comedy is that you have provided no sources for your claims, some of which I think are false or overstated, some of which I think are true. But, a person who replied to you, with a source, about men being victims of sexual violence by women is down voted to the point that you can't reply to it! Yes, men can't be victims of sexual assault by a woman, because having sex is the male modus operandi! I would blame HN for having a garbage community at this point but the reality is you'll see the same behavior on reddit or anywhere, society wide a male rape victim by a woman gets a high five, not trauma therapy.