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Why are your daughters better off financially? This is against what I'd expect, so I'm truly curious.

by pvorb 6y ago

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CreepGin 6y ago
Less lazy, more realistic, more willing to explore different opportunities. (At least that's the general case for women vs men in my family/friends circles)
- myle 6y ago
  This comment would have been clearly very controversial with genders reversed. It may be even now quite controversial. I am not saying it should or shouldn't be controversial. Just an observation.
  - FreshFries 6y ago
    > Less lazy, more realistic, more willing to explore different opportunities. Fact is, this is 100% the case.
  - amanaplanacanal 6y ago
    I'm not sure why it should be controversial. They are talking about their individual children, whom they know, not about the male or female gender as a whole.
- mrweasel 6y ago
  Better educated as well.
jokethrowaway 6y ago
Men tend to score higher in disagreeableness which doesn't bode well with education. Women generally outperform men in school but not on the job market (albeit that's mainly due to the fact they used to work less hours overall because of pregnancy and older people - who had less female competition - get higher salaries). Men are generally more assertive and better at negotiating. Anti-bias training is teaching interviewers to ignore assertiveness and communication/persuasion skills, to look beyond that and hire shy individuals (which may be fine, unless you're hiring for a leadership / sales role). Interviews reward more people who did their homework over actual job experience, which again favour an academic mindset. "Fair pay scale" are getting more popular, which means your negotiating skills are less important in order to make money. The HR field and the sociology field are dominated by women who of course can push and convince companies about the best way to move forward in order to be "inclusive" and look good with the general public (oh and women control 80% of consumer spending). With hiring conditions levelling the playing fields and women natural better performance in school / academic tasks, it's easy for more women to do better. Do you remember the pay gap? Well, of course none of those numbers can be trusted because there are tons of variables and skills differences in skills - but if you look at women and men in their 20s, women already outperform men. Older men who faced less competition are still ahead. But it's not all about money. Men thrive when they get responsibility. The worsening economy, the crisis doesn't help with that. Women historically had a husband to shield them from this worries; even though that is changing there is still a prevalence of non working women relying on men. The demonisation of men and masculinity, the repression of men definitely played a role in the increasing number of suicides, which are mainly committed by men. I guess there is a case to be make that men depression could be the cause of mass shooting and / or radicalisation of young men in terrorist organisations (eg. ISIS, Antifa, etc). Soldiers dying in wars are primarily men. Men tend to pursue dangerous jobs, increasing their likelihood of dying. Divorces affect negatively primarily men. Tribunals believe women more (see Heard vs Depp for a mainstream recent case and listen to the last phone call they exchanged before divorcing in which Heard admit hitting Depp and doesn't mention any violence in her regards) when things go wrong or when someone decide to cry wolf. Hope this helps spread awareness.
- pvorb 6y ago
  Just to go into one of your points, I'm not sure if women on average perform worse in negotiations. Probably they are only expected to perform worse in a job and thus have to overcome that gap in any negotiation, which makes it harder for them than the average man.
  - jokethrowaway 6y ago
    That's a great point! I'm sure biases play a big role in any interaction we have, albeit gender is just one of the factors. One can have a negative bias toward candidates from a certain ethnicity, or candidates with a certain height, or based off their attractiveness or a perceived "warmth". What I was referring to was merely the competitive vs empathic nature which tends to manifest more in men vs women.

Why are your daughters better off financially? This is against what I'd expect, so I'm truly curious.

by pvorb 6y ago

Why are your daughters better off financially? This is against what I'd expect, so I'm truly curious.

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CreepGin 6y ago

Less lazy, more realistic, more willing to explore different opportunities. (At least that's the general case for women vs men in my family/friends circles)

myle 6y ago
This comment would have been clearly very controversial with genders reversed. It may be even now quite controversial. I am not saying it should or shouldn't be controversial. Just an observation.
- FreshFries 6y ago
  > Less lazy, more realistic, more willing to explore different opportunities. Fact is, this is 100% the case.
- amanaplanacanal 6y ago
  I'm not sure why it should be controversial. They are talking about their individual children, whom they know, not about the male or female gender as a whole.
mrweasel 6y ago
Better educated as well.

jokethrowaway 6y ago

Men tend to score higher in disagreeableness which doesn't bode well with education. Women generally outperform men in school but not on the job market (albeit that's mainly due to the fact they used to work less hours overall because of pregnancy and older people - who had less female competition - get higher salaries). Men are generally more assertive and better at negotiating. Anti-bias training is teaching interviewers to ignore assertiveness and communication/persuasion skills, to look beyond that and hire shy individuals (which may be fine, unless you're hiring for a leadership / sales role). Interviews reward more people who did their homework over actual job experience, which again favour an academic mindset. "Fair pay scale" are getting more popular, which means your negotiating skills are less important in order to make money. The HR field and the sociology field are dominated by women who of course can push and convince companies about the best way to move forward in order to be "inclusive" and look good with the general public (oh and women control 80% of consumer spending). With hiring conditions levelling the playing fields and women natural better performance in school / academic tasks, it's easy for more women to do better. Do you remember the pay gap? Well, of course none of those numbers can be trusted because there are tons of variables and skills differences in skills - but if you look at women and men in their 20s, women already outperform men. Older men who faced less competition are still ahead. But it's not all about money. Men thrive when they get responsibility. The worsening economy, the crisis doesn't help with that. Women historically had a husband to shield them from this worries; even though that is changing there is still a prevalence of non working women relying on men. The demonisation of men and masculinity, the repression of men definitely played a role in the increasing number of suicides, which are mainly committed by men. I guess there is a case to be make that men depression could be the cause of mass shooting and / or radicalisation of young men in terrorist organisations (eg. ISIS, Antifa, etc). Soldiers dying in wars are primarily men. Men tend to pursue dangerous jobs, increasing their likelihood of dying. Divorces affect negatively primarily men. Tribunals believe women more (see Heard vs Depp for a mainstream recent case and listen to the last phone call they exchanged before divorcing in which Heard admit hitting Depp and doesn't mention any violence in her regards) when things go wrong or when someone decide to cry wolf. Hope this helps spread awareness.

pvorb 6y ago
Just to go into one of your points, I'm not sure if women on average perform worse in negotiations. Probably they are only expected to perform worse in a job and thus have to overcome that gap in any negotiation, which makes it harder for them than the average man.
- jokethrowaway 6y ago
  That's a great point! I'm sure biases play a big role in any interaction we have, albeit gender is just one of the factors. One can have a negative bias toward candidates from a certain ethnicity, or candidates with a certain height, or based off their attractiveness or a perceived "warmth". What I was referring to was merely the competitive vs empathic nature which tends to manifest more in men vs women.