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Why is this surprising? Sons are more likely than daughters to die a violent death, commit suicide, die young from injury, go to prison, or become homeless.

by ponker 6y ago

xenihn 6y ago
It's not surprising at all. Life in the United States is, on average, better for young women than it is for young men. They simply have more opportunity. I don't have any resentment over it. I'm not even young anymore (let's go ahead and cap it at 26 years old, using the limit for insurance under your parents), but if I was, I wouldn't be resentful. It just is what it is. I am somewhat annoyed by people who refuse to admit it, though. It's not strictly better, but given a choice and typical circumstances, I know which one I would take.
globular-toast 6y ago
Don't forget that if you bring any of this up most people will try to silence you. Your comment is already grey on HN. In the past men formed brotherhoods to enable them to do great things. Women will never support men, it's simply not in their nature. Speak to any woman and they're not even aware of men below them in society and disgusted by more than half of men. This is where their feeling of inequality comes from. But men now are not looking after each other. We are more divided than ever. Expected to stop our manly activities and forced into a feminine world from the beginning. If you divide men then huge inequality is inevitable. All women are born with the ability to reproduce. Men are born with nothing. Feminism is a return to the jungle where alpha males kill each other on their way to the top and rule over all other males, forcing them into a lonely existence. We have been seeing this for years already. Nobody benefits from this in the long run, but in the short run it's all benefitting that top 1% of men in society. Women are just along for the ride and no amount of feminism or "equality" will make them any more or less happy.
- Hammershaft 6y ago
  I'm not going to tackle this entire comment, but: > "Women will never support men, it's simply not in their nature. Speak to any woman and they're not even aware of men below them in society and disgusted by more than half of men." This seems like a hugely generalized characterization. Without broad supporting evidence it is more likely this is a reflection of your personal perception of women then an accurate characterization of women as a whole.
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  - globular-toast 6y ago
    There's so much evidence for it you have to be intentionally blind to miss it. - Women consider ~80% of men to be below average: https://web.archive.org/web/20131214162458/http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/your-looks-and-online-dating/ https://web.archive.org/web/20131214162458/http://blog.okcup... - a man of average attractiveness can only expect to be liked by slightly less than 1% of females (0.87%) https://medium.com/@worstonlinedater/tinder-experiments-ii-guys-unless-you-are-really-hot-you-are-probably-better-off-not-wasting-your-2ddf370a6e9a https://medium.com/@worstonlinedater/tinder-experiments-ii-g... - 70% of all divorces are initiated by women: https://www.asanet.org/press-center/press-releases/women-more-likely-men-initiate-divorces-not-non-marital-breakups https://www.asanet.org/press-center/press-releases/women-mor... - Among college-educated couples, the percentage of divorces initiated by women is approximately 90% https://www.themodernman.com/blog/are-college-educated-women-bad-wife-material.html https://www.themodernman.com/blog/are-college-educated-women... - Virtually all women believe in the "pay gap" despite statistics showing it doesn't exist. Where do you think this belief comes from? From their point of view, the only men they care about all earn more than them.
    - jk20 6y ago
      As i suggested elsewhere, men should retain both children and money after divorce; women should get nothing given their behavior. It is also more biologically correct as man can find a younger partner and still have more children.
- watwut 6y ago
  > In the past men formed brotherhoods to enable them to do great things. You will be surprised to find out who is killing all those murdered men. And who are the peers pushing them to drink more, fight other men, play computer games whole night regularly, saying them it is cool to own a gun (so they end up shooting themselves instead of trying to poison themselves which is easier to stop), etc.
- dragonwriter 6y ago
  > Women will never support men, it's simply not in their nature. In my experience dealing with women this is very much not true. > Speak to any woman and they're not even aware of men below them in society and disgusted by more than half of men. The first half isn't, IME, true of women in any gender-related way (women seem less likely then men, IME, to be unaware of or unconcerned with those beneath them in society generally, and there doesn't seem to be any generalized bias against recognizing men in such a position.
TheAdamAndChe 6y ago
Personally, I'm more worried about the increasingly anti-masculine culture gripping our country. As a man, I feel best and most fulfilled when I embrace my masculine side. Young men, especially adolescents, are shamed for doing so.
- amanaplanacanal 6y ago
  I'm unclear what you mean by anti-masculine and masculine side. Can you talk about that a bit more?
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  - TheAdamAndChe 6y ago
    It's hard to describe. I have a competitive energy that drives stereotypically masculine behavior. When it was unfocused and untrained, it led to aggression and hypersexuality. When it's focused, it leads to goal- and status-oriented behavior. When I say anti-masculine, I mean that it seems like society nowadays just seems to try to suppress this energy in boys. Rambunctiousness is shamed and considered ADHD. Competitiveness is looked down upon, replaced instead with cooperation. There was a time when I tried to suppress this side of myself, but it just made me feel bad. Much of my transition to adulthood involved learning how to manage this masculine energy.
  - milchek 6y ago
    Not OP, but I think what OP is referring to is the whole 'men are trash' narrative that we see in media and social media sometimes. The Gillette ad comes to mind as, to me at least, it legitimises and maybe even exaggerates how many males are toxic or have issues - to the point where a razor brand feels they need to step in and tell all men, "hey guys, be better." (could you imagine the backlash if a tampon brand did something like this to females?) Let's be critical about this, maybe those particularly toxic males are actually exhibiting tendencies that are more to do with some sort of sociopathy rather than it being their a product purely of their gender? On top of this, men are also given a lot of conflicting messaging - particularly as far as media and pop culture is concerned - on how they should behave. Couple this with the usual stats about the troubles men face and I can understand why parents are worried.

Why is this surprising? Sons are more likely than daughters to die a violent death, commit suicide, die young from injury, go to prison, or become homeless.

by ponker 6y ago

Why is this surprising? Sons are more likely than daughters to die a violent death, commit suicide, die young from injury, go to prison, or become homeless.

xenihn 6y ago

It's not surprising at all. Life in the United States is, on average, better for young women than it is for young men. They simply have more opportunity. I don't have any resentment over it. I'm not even young anymore (let's go ahead and cap it at 26 years old, using the limit for insurance under your parents), but if I was, I wouldn't be resentful. It just is what it is. I am somewhat annoyed by people who refuse to admit it, though. It's not strictly better, but given a choice and typical circumstances, I know which one I would take.

globular-toast 6y ago

Don't forget that if you bring any of this up most people will try to silence you. Your comment is already grey on HN. In the past men formed brotherhoods to enable them to do great things. Women will never support men, it's simply not in their nature. Speak to any woman and they're not even aware of men below them in society and disgusted by more than half of men. This is where their feeling of inequality comes from. But men now are not looking after each other. We are more divided than ever. Expected to stop our manly activities and forced into a feminine world from the beginning. If you divide men then huge inequality is inevitable. All women are born with the ability to reproduce. Men are born with nothing. Feminism is a return to the jungle where alpha males kill each other on their way to the top and rule over all other males, forcing them into a lonely existence. We have been seeing this for years already. Nobody benefits from this in the long run, but in the short run it's all benefitting that top 1% of men in society. Women are just along for the ride and no amount of feminism or "equality" will make them any more or less happy.

Hammershaft 6y ago
I'm not going to tackle this entire comment, but: > "Women will never support men, it's simply not in their nature. Speak to any woman and they're not even aware of men below them in society and disgusted by more than half of men." This seems like a hugely generalized characterization. Without broad supporting evidence it is more likely this is a reflection of your personal perception of women then an accurate characterization of women as a whole.
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- globular-toast 6y ago
  There's so much evidence for it you have to be intentionally blind to miss it. - Women consider ~80% of men to be below average: https://web.archive.org/web/20131214162458/http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/your-looks-and-online-dating/ https://web.archive.org/web/20131214162458/http://blog.okcup... - a man of average attractiveness can only expect to be liked by slightly less than 1% of females (0.87%) https://medium.com/@worstonlinedater/tinder-experiments-ii-guys-unless-you-are-really-hot-you-are-probably-better-off-not-wasting-your-2ddf370a6e9a https://medium.com/@worstonlinedater/tinder-experiments-ii-g... - 70% of all divorces are initiated by women: https://www.asanet.org/press-center/press-releases/women-more-likely-men-initiate-divorces-not-non-marital-breakups https://www.asanet.org/press-center/press-releases/women-mor... - Among college-educated couples, the percentage of divorces initiated by women is approximately 90% https://www.themodernman.com/blog/are-college-educated-women-bad-wife-material.html https://www.themodernman.com/blog/are-college-educated-women... - Virtually all women believe in the "pay gap" despite statistics showing it doesn't exist. Where do you think this belief comes from? From their point of view, the only men they care about all earn more than them.
  - jk20 6y ago
    As i suggested elsewhere, men should retain both children and money after divorce; women should get nothing given their behavior. It is also more biologically correct as man can find a younger partner and still have more children.
watwut 6y ago
> In the past men formed brotherhoods to enable them to do great things. You will be surprised to find out who is killing all those murdered men. And who are the peers pushing them to drink more, fight other men, play computer games whole night regularly, saying them it is cool to own a gun (so they end up shooting themselves instead of trying to poison themselves which is easier to stop), etc.
dragonwriter 6y ago
> Women will never support men, it's simply not in their nature. In my experience dealing with women this is very much not true. > Speak to any woman and they're not even aware of men below them in society and disgusted by more than half of men. The first half isn't, IME, true of women in any gender-related way (women seem less likely then men, IME, to be unaware of or unconcerned with those beneath them in society generally, and there doesn't seem to be any generalized bias against recognizing men in such a position.

TheAdamAndChe 6y ago

Personally, I'm more worried about the increasingly anti-masculine culture gripping our country. As a man, I feel best and most fulfilled when I embrace my masculine side. Young men, especially adolescents, are shamed for doing so.

amanaplanacanal 6y ago
I'm unclear what you mean by anti-masculine and masculine side. Can you talk about that a bit more?
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- TheAdamAndChe 6y ago
  It's hard to describe. I have a competitive energy that drives stereotypically masculine behavior. When it was unfocused and untrained, it led to aggression and hypersexuality. When it's focused, it leads to goal- and status-oriented behavior. When I say anti-masculine, I mean that it seems like society nowadays just seems to try to suppress this energy in boys. Rambunctiousness is shamed and considered ADHD. Competitiveness is looked down upon, replaced instead with cooperation. There was a time when I tried to suppress this side of myself, but it just made me feel bad. Much of my transition to adulthood involved learning how to manage this masculine energy.
- milchek 6y ago
  Not OP, but I think what OP is referring to is the whole 'men are trash' narrative that we see in media and social media sometimes. The Gillette ad comes to mind as, to me at least, it legitimises and maybe even exaggerates how many males are toxic or have issues - to the point where a razor brand feels they need to step in and tell all men, "hey guys, be better." (could you imagine the backlash if a tampon brand did something like this to females?) Let's be critical about this, maybe those particularly toxic males are actually exhibiting tendencies that are more to do with some sort of sociopathy rather than it being their a product purely of their gender? On top of this, men are also given a lot of conflicting messaging - particularly as far as media and pop culture is concerned - on how they should behave. Couple this with the usual stats about the troubles men face and I can understand why parents are worried.