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> There are legitimate issues you can bring up about china. If you don't consider those other things you discredit to be sensible, I am very curious what issue

> There are legitimate issues you can bring up about china. If you don't consider those other things you discredit to be sensible, I am very curious what issues regarding China you do think are legitimate.

AYBABTME 6y ago
Grand parent seems to have a stream of comments where they are critical of anti-China propaganda, but from a western perspective. I'm curious exactly what mental model of the world the GP has. I don't agree with the dismissive attitude GP portrays, but in the USA vs. China situation we appear to be stepping in as a planet, I can't help but recognize that there's something going on, some war for the minds via public influence campgains, and it's probably not being done by only one side of the equation. In this way, I'm a bit disappointed that GP is being down-voted to oblivion: how can we see dissenting voices if they're being hidden because they come across as shocking/incendiary? We say that HN isn't a platform to discuss politics, and yet "Xi Jinping is fighting a new enemy – Genghis Khan" is clearly a political piece. Of course all this would be easier to discuss if GP wasn't attacking everyone. Anyways, food for thoughts.
disown 6y ago
Fake easily debunked propaganda doesn't work. Because people can easily find out it is fake. You can't claim china is exterminating muslims when the muslim population has skyrocketed in china. The ugyhur nonsense is exactly the same nonsense we had in the mid 2000s about the falun gong. The same exact debunked nonsense. I know because I believed it. > I am very curious what issues regarding China you do think are legitimate. You know REAL issues? Trade deficit? Environmental protection? Peacefully reintegrating taiwan into china? North Korea? Not bullshit about "stolen organs", this nonsense about genghis khan, etc. The only thing missing is this go around are the fucking dams. In the mid 2000s, propagandists, similar to the ones working at bitterwinter, were telling everyone that china's dams were about to collapse. Something about poor construction, corruption, incompetence. The whole of china was going to be flooded and china was going to collapse. Boy was I convinced and boy was I duped. When congress is united on something, you know it's wrong. When john oliver does a piece on it, you know there is something not right about it. That the first casualty of war is the truth and we are in a trade war means almost everything about china is probably a lie. And if you notice that this is just a rerun of what we going 20 years ago, then it all makes sense.
- Judgmentality 6y ago
  You seem to be in the minority of people who don't believe the Uighur concentration camps are real (you are actually the first person I know who doesn't believe it). What evidence do you have to debunk it? Please provide data and not rhetoric.

AYBABTME 6y ago

Grand parent seems to have a stream of comments where they are critical of anti-China propaganda, but from a western perspective. I'm curious exactly what mental model of the world the GP has. I don't agree with the dismissive attitude GP portrays, but in the USA vs. China situation we appear to be stepping in as a planet, I can't help but recognize that there's something going on, some war for the minds via public influence campgains, and it's probably not being done by only one side of the equation. In this way, I'm a bit disappointed that GP is being down-voted to oblivion: how can we see dissenting voices if they're being hidden because they come across as shocking/incendiary? We say that HN isn't a platform to discuss politics, and yet "Xi Jinping is fighting a new enemy – Genghis Khan" is clearly a political piece. Of course all this would be easier to discuss if GP wasn't attacking everyone. Anyways, food for thoughts.

disown 6y ago

Fake easily debunked propaganda doesn't work. Because people can easily find out it is fake. You can't claim china is exterminating muslims when the muslim population has skyrocketed in china. The ugyhur nonsense is exactly the same nonsense we had in the mid 2000s about the falun gong. The same exact debunked nonsense. I know because I believed it. > I am very curious what issues regarding China you do think are legitimate. You know REAL issues? Trade deficit? Environmental protection? Peacefully reintegrating taiwan into china? North Korea? Not bullshit about "stolen organs", this nonsense about genghis khan, etc. The only thing missing is this go around are the fucking dams. In the mid 2000s, propagandists, similar to the ones working at bitterwinter, were telling everyone that china's dams were about to collapse. Something about poor construction, corruption, incompetence. The whole of china was going to be flooded and china was going to collapse. Boy was I convinced and boy was I duped. When congress is united on something, you know it's wrong. When john oliver does a piece on it, you know there is something not right about it. That the first casualty of war is the truth and we are in a trade war means almost everything about china is probably a lie. And if you notice that this is just a rerun of what we going 20 years ago, then it all makes sense.

Judgmentality 6y ago
You seem to be in the minority of people who don't believe the Uighur concentration camps are real (you are actually the first person I know who doesn't believe it). What evidence do you have to debunk it? Please provide data and not rhetoric.