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Nice dodge of the question! I cited specific examples of ludicrous things he's said that have come true, and you cite small lies he's told. I can do the same fo

Nice dodge of the question! I cited specific examples of ludicrous things he's said that have come true, and you cite small lies he's told. I can do the same for any politician you name, that doesn't mean they never say something worth listening to. Like I said though... Keep going. People like you have converted me from a never Trumper to a Trump supporter. And people like you have converted my aunt, a former Obama-supporting liberal, into avid pro-Trumpers. Honestly, from my perspective, I say keep going on and do whatever it is you do. It'll just make more people like me.

dragonwriter 6y ago
> You've converted me from a never Trumper to a Trump supporter. You've been echoing Trump talking points and explicitly defending Trump here for months. That's the kind of dishonest rhetorical trick that works better when the history isn't readily visible.
- tathougies 6y ago
  I did not vote for Trump in 2016. Yes, for the past few months I have become a Trump supporter, ever since the fake impeachment attempt, I have supported the president. Supporting Trump for a few months after not supporting him for years is hardly some great evidence that I'm lying. EDIT: Oh look downvotes at me explaining my very plausible change of heart on trump. Apparently HN knows my ballot better than me!
  - zaroth 6y ago
    I understand exactly where you’re coming from. The way that the MSM has portrayed and reported on Trump I think is a huge source of his ongoing support. For a more recent example, claiming Pfizer isn’t part of Operation Warp Speed, or that holding the samples on ice until the day after the election wasn’t partisan is bald faced denial. Gore spends 30 days pursuing recounts in 2000 before conceding but Trump is supposedly a dangerous dictator for not conceding. How about this one — Flynn allegedly violates the Logan act by talking about sanctions with the Russian ambassador, but Biden is talking policy with world leaders a day after the election is called and its AOK. Now, to be clear, it’s exactly what Biden should be doing and is clearly not illegal, but it’s the double standard which drives a lot of people to support Trump.
    - tzs 6y ago
      > Gore spends 30 days pursuing recounts in 2000 before conceding but Trump is supposedly a dangerous dictator for not conceding. Are you comparing pursuing recounts in a single state when the vote difference there is around 500 votes out of nearly 6 million (an amount that is well within the range that recounts frequently reverse) to pursuing recounts in several states where the differences are far larger than any recount has ever overcome?
      - zaroth 6y ago
        Yes? I doubt entirely Trump will prevail, but there's no question he's entitled to due process. Votes are still being counted. If the situation was reversed, I doubt Biden would concede until the last vote was counted either. In any case, when he loses--and then looks like a sore loser--it can only possibly help democratic turnout in the GA runoff. Anyway, that's arguing the finer points and missing the forest for the trees. The point is about the vitriol of the MSM toward Trump, and the role it plays in driving support towards Trump. It's not hard to report that the election is over and Trump refuses to concede without calling him Hitler, but it sells more clicks when you do.
        matchbok 6y ago
        MSM is not angry towards trump, they are angry towards a guy who sexual assaults women and who lies every single day. There is a difference. Too bad the snowflakes on the right don't get it. You ever think there is a possibility trump just lies more? Every think about that crazy idea?
        tathougies 6y ago
        Do you know who tara reade is? And if you don't why don't you?
        tzs 6y ago
        > If the situation was reversed, I doubt Biden would concede until the last vote was counted either. The situation was essentially reversed when it was Clinton and Trump. Clinton was behind after the night of the election in 3 states that she needed to win, by amounts ranging from about 0.25% to 0.7%. That's comparable to where Trump is now in the 4 states he needs to win. She conceded the morning after the election. You really think Biden would be more like Trump than like Clinton in this kind of situation?
  - creato 6y ago
    > Apparently HN knows my ballot better than me! Saying the moment you became a trump supporter was when trump abused the resources of the United States to extort a foreign country for personal political gain is not a good look.
IgorPartola 6y ago
> People like you have converted me from a never Trumper to a Trump supporter. It’s not my job to think for you. And are you really trying to use reverse psychology to get me to argue with you? You are spewing conspiracy theories straight out of 4chan and Trump’s Twitter feed. You have lived under Trump for almost four years and you still support him? And I’m supposed to attempt to convert you back? No thanks, I have better things to do than to argue with people who refuse to look at look at reality unless it’s through the walls of their conspiracy theory bubble. Best of luck to you and your aunt. I hope you find some inner peace. I suspect that if Internet comments bother you enough to switch political affiliations that you need some of it.
- weakfish 6y ago
  > It’s not my job to think for you. This should be the modus operandi of most internet discussions. Well said.
mcphage 6y ago
> I cited specific examples of ludicrous things he's said that have come true, and you cite small lies he's told. So your defense of “Trump lies constantly” is “not absolutely every thing he says is a lie”, which is true, but man, that’s a really weak defense. Congrats, you set the bar low enough that he can get over it, but maybe having to set that bar so low is a problem.

dragonwriter 6y ago

> You've converted me from a never Trumper to a Trump supporter. You've been echoing Trump talking points and explicitly defending Trump here for months. That's the kind of dishonest rhetorical trick that works better when the history isn't readily visible.

tathougies 6y ago
I did not vote for Trump in 2016. Yes, for the past few months I have become a Trump supporter, ever since the fake impeachment attempt, I have supported the president. Supporting Trump for a few months after not supporting him for years is hardly some great evidence that I'm lying. EDIT: Oh look downvotes at me explaining my very plausible change of heart on trump. Apparently HN knows my ballot better than me!
- zaroth 6y ago
  I understand exactly where you’re coming from. The way that the MSM has portrayed and reported on Trump I think is a huge source of his ongoing support. For a more recent example, claiming Pfizer isn’t part of Operation Warp Speed, or that holding the samples on ice until the day after the election wasn’t partisan is bald faced denial. Gore spends 30 days pursuing recounts in 2000 before conceding but Trump is supposedly a dangerous dictator for not conceding. How about this one — Flynn allegedly violates the Logan act by talking about sanctions with the Russian ambassador, but Biden is talking policy with world leaders a day after the election is called and its AOK. Now, to be clear, it’s exactly what Biden should be doing and is clearly not illegal, but it’s the double standard which drives a lot of people to support Trump.
  - tzs 6y ago
    > Gore spends 30 days pursuing recounts in 2000 before conceding but Trump is supposedly a dangerous dictator for not conceding. Are you comparing pursuing recounts in a single state when the vote difference there is around 500 votes out of nearly 6 million (an amount that is well within the range that recounts frequently reverse) to pursuing recounts in several states where the differences are far larger than any recount has ever overcome?
    - zaroth 6y ago
      Yes? I doubt entirely Trump will prevail, but there's no question he's entitled to due process. Votes are still being counted. If the situation was reversed, I doubt Biden would concede until the last vote was counted either. In any case, when he loses--and then looks like a sore loser--it can only possibly help democratic turnout in the GA runoff. Anyway, that's arguing the finer points and missing the forest for the trees. The point is about the vitriol of the MSM toward Trump, and the role it plays in driving support towards Trump. It's not hard to report that the election is over and Trump refuses to concede without calling him Hitler, but it sells more clicks when you do.
      - matchbok 6y ago
        MSM is not angry towards trump, they are angry towards a guy who sexual assaults women and who lies every single day. There is a difference. Too bad the snowflakes on the right don't get it. You ever think there is a possibility trump just lies more? Every think about that crazy idea?
        tathougies 6y ago
        Do you know who tara reade is? And if you don't why don't you?
      - tzs 6y ago
        > If the situation was reversed, I doubt Biden would concede until the last vote was counted either. The situation was essentially reversed when it was Clinton and Trump. Clinton was behind after the night of the election in 3 states that she needed to win, by amounts ranging from about 0.25% to 0.7%. That's comparable to where Trump is now in the 4 states he needs to win. She conceded the morning after the election. You really think Biden would be more like Trump than like Clinton in this kind of situation?
- creato 6y ago
  > Apparently HN knows my ballot better than me! Saying the moment you became a trump supporter was when trump abused the resources of the United States to extort a foreign country for personal political gain is not a good look.

IgorPartola 6y ago

> People like you have converted me from a never Trumper to a Trump supporter. It’s not my job to think for you. And are you really trying to use reverse psychology to get me to argue with you? You are spewing conspiracy theories straight out of 4chan and Trump’s Twitter feed. You have lived under Trump for almost four years and you still support him? And I’m supposed to attempt to convert you back? No thanks, I have better things to do than to argue with people who refuse to look at look at reality unless it’s through the walls of their conspiracy theory bubble. Best of luck to you and your aunt. I hope you find some inner peace. I suspect that if Internet comments bother you enough to switch political affiliations that you need some of it.

weakfish 6y ago
> It’s not my job to think for you. This should be the modus operandi of most internet discussions. Well said.

mcphage 6y ago

> I cited specific examples of ludicrous things he's said that have come true, and you cite small lies he's told. So your defense of “Trump lies constantly” is “not absolutely every thing he says is a lie”, which is true, but man, that’s a really weak defense. Congrats, you set the bar low enough that he can get over it, but maybe having to set that bar so low is a problem.