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NYT decided to go all in on left leaning, all anti Trump all the time, and even then some of their readers think they are carrying water for Trump.

by bruceb 6y ago

skinnymuch 6y ago
No they didn’t. They are left leaning only in specific neo liberal ways.
- dragonwriter 6y ago
  > They are left leaning only in specific neo liberal ways. They are only left-leaning in specific center-right ways? Neoliberalism isn't a left ideology.
  - skinnymuch 6y ago
    In America it is. And yes exactly what you wrote in your second paragraph. You can be pedantic all you want. But 90%+ of America’s won’t follow what you’re saying if you’re saying at best NYT is center right. You also likely won’t be able to have the conversation without seeming smug (or insert other related adjectives) either. Likely hurting any discussion you have. At which point, any pt of discussion is defeated.
    - dragonwriter 6y ago
      > In America it is. Neoliberalism isn't a left view in America, either. While it's true that only since Trump it's been somewhat displaced by vague mix of kleptocracy and protectionism as the economic policy of the dominant faction of the Republican Party, it remains widely shared between both parties, there's nothing left, even in American terms, about neoliberalism. > But 90% of people in America will have no clue what you mean when you say things like that. If I rephrased neoliberalism as “corporate capitalism”, they'd understand it perfectly.
    - onecommentman 6y ago
      It is, however, a classic rhetorical technique. If you call a moderate liberal a conservative, then it “normalizes” more extreme left-wing views. The same works left to right. In the parlance of Classical Greek rhetoric, it is called a “douchebag maneuver”. We can all agree that “Shining Path” Maoist rebels view the NYT as to the right of center...
TheGrim-999 6y ago
My response to anybody that downvotes and disagrees with the parent comment is to just wait and see for yourself how long it'll take for the NYT or your news source of choice to ever report a negative story about Biden. Every day you read the news try to take a look through and find a negative story. I guarantee you the day will never come. It absolutely blows my mind that people can say something like "CNN is relatively unbiased", and yet nearly 100% of every (political) story follows the same pattern: In the last four years I don't remember a single CNN headline that was positive of Trump. Of course you can say that he's a complete screw up that never once in four years did a single positive thing, but if you're honest with yourself, you know that's not true. The same way that in the next four years they won't publish a single negative article about Biden, but that doesn't mean he's a saint that never once did anything that could be reported on negatively. That people can't see how insanely biased these sources are really blows my mind. The proof is there for you to see - how many months or years will it take before you see a single negative story about Biden?
bonecandy 6y ago
Hmm I don't really see any evidence of this
- marcusverus 6y ago
  You must have missed the few instances when the NYT ran a rare Trump headline that could be regarded as positive, then promptly edited it to include leftward spin under the guise of 'adding context'. Here's the NYT's own reporting on one such instance: "A print headline on Tuesday’s front page for an article about President Trump’s statement addressing last weekend’s mass shootings has added to a continuing debate over how news organizations cover his administration. Times editors were concerned that the initial headline — “Trump Urges Unity vs. Racism” — did not contextualize Mr. Trump’s message on Monday and decided to change it for later editions to “Assailing Hate but Not Guns.”" This strikes me as an open acknowledgement that negative spin is a hard requirement when reporting on Donald Trump at the New York Times. [0]https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/06/reader-center/trump-mass-shootings-headline.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/06/reader-center/trump-mass-...
  - titanomachy 6y ago
    Good example. Trump continuing to not be an advocate for gun control is not news.
  - onecommentman 6y ago
    This editorial stance is a historical bias the NYT has had since at least the 1960s. You always had to read past it, if you chose to read at all. Some very good content wrapped in editorial offal. Made for a few good laughs if you were in on it. It came out harder (to the point of abuse) on Trump because Trump is from NYC (big plus), major player in revitalization of Manhattan (big plus), big in pop media industry (umm, sort of plus) but was everything the UWS wasn’t (how dare that Republican Queens lowlife). If there ever was a use case for the word “intersectionality”, it would be the NYT view of Donald. And the NYT didn’t navigate those choppy seas well.
IgorPartola 6y ago
It is very difficult to be pro Trump while also trying to tell the truth. And the idea behind a reputable media outlet like NYT is that they tell the truth. Trump lies almost constantly, especially to his supporters. How do you report positively on something like that?

NYT decided to go all in on left leaning, all anti Trump all the time, and even then some of their readers think they are carrying water for Trump.

by bruceb 6y ago

NYT decided to go all in on left leaning, all anti Trump all the time, and even then some of their readers think they are carrying water for Trump.

skinnymuch 6y ago

No they didn’t. They are left leaning only in specific neo liberal ways.

dragonwriter 6y ago
> They are left leaning only in specific neo liberal ways. They are only left-leaning in specific center-right ways? Neoliberalism isn't a left ideology.
- skinnymuch 6y ago
  In America it is. And yes exactly what you wrote in your second paragraph. You can be pedantic all you want. But 90%+ of America’s won’t follow what you’re saying if you’re saying at best NYT is center right. You also likely won’t be able to have the conversation without seeming smug (or insert other related adjectives) either. Likely hurting any discussion you have. At which point, any pt of discussion is defeated.
  - dragonwriter 6y ago
    > In America it is. Neoliberalism isn't a left view in America, either. While it's true that only since Trump it's been somewhat displaced by vague mix of kleptocracy and protectionism as the economic policy of the dominant faction of the Republican Party, it remains widely shared between both parties, there's nothing left, even in American terms, about neoliberalism. > But 90% of people in America will have no clue what you mean when you say things like that. If I rephrased neoliberalism as “corporate capitalism”, they'd understand it perfectly.
  - onecommentman 6y ago
    It is, however, a classic rhetorical technique. If you call a moderate liberal a conservative, then it “normalizes” more extreme left-wing views. The same works left to right. In the parlance of Classical Greek rhetoric, it is called a “douchebag maneuver”. We can all agree that “Shining Path” Maoist rebels view the NYT as to the right of center...

TheGrim-999 6y ago

My response to anybody that downvotes and disagrees with the parent comment is to just wait and see for yourself how long it'll take for the NYT or your news source of choice to ever report a negative story about Biden. Every day you read the news try to take a look through and find a negative story. I guarantee you the day will never come. It absolutely blows my mind that people can say something like "CNN is relatively unbiased", and yet nearly 100% of every (political) story follows the same pattern: In the last four years I don't remember a single CNN headline that was positive of Trump. Of course you can say that he's a complete screw up that never once in four years did a single positive thing, but if you're honest with yourself, you know that's not true. The same way that in the next four years they won't publish a single negative article about Biden, but that doesn't mean he's a saint that never once did anything that could be reported on negatively. That people can't see how insanely biased these sources are really blows my mind. The proof is there for you to see - how many months or years will it take before you see a single negative story about Biden?

bonecandy 6y ago

Hmm I don't really see any evidence of this

marcusverus 6y ago
You must have missed the few instances when the NYT ran a rare Trump headline that could be regarded as positive, then promptly edited it to include leftward spin under the guise of 'adding context'. Here's the NYT's own reporting on one such instance: "A print headline on Tuesday’s front page for an article about President Trump’s statement addressing last weekend’s mass shootings has added to a continuing debate over how news organizations cover his administration. Times editors were concerned that the initial headline — “Trump Urges Unity vs. Racism” — did not contextualize Mr. Trump’s message on Monday and decided to change it for later editions to “Assailing Hate but Not Guns.”" This strikes me as an open acknowledgement that negative spin is a hard requirement when reporting on Donald Trump at the New York Times. [0]https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/06/reader-center/trump-mass-shootings-headline.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/06/reader-center/trump-mass-...
- titanomachy 6y ago
  Good example. Trump continuing to not be an advocate for gun control is not news.
- onecommentman 6y ago
  This editorial stance is a historical bias the NYT has had since at least the 1960s. You always had to read past it, if you chose to read at all. Some very good content wrapped in editorial offal. Made for a few good laughs if you were in on it. It came out harder (to the point of abuse) on Trump because Trump is from NYC (big plus), major player in revitalization of Manhattan (big plus), big in pop media industry (umm, sort of plus) but was everything the UWS wasn’t (how dare that Republican Queens lowlife). If there ever was a use case for the word “intersectionality”, it would be the NYT view of Donald. And the NYT didn’t navigate those choppy seas well.

IgorPartola 6y ago

It is very difficult to be pro Trump while also trying to tell the truth. And the idea behind a reputable media outlet like NYT is that they tell the truth. Trump lies almost constantly, especially to his supporters. How do you report positively on something like that?