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I wouldn't say it's always been very good. How well do you remember MSDN? In the mid-2000s, Microsoft documentation lived on three or four separate sites, and I

I wouldn't say it's always been very good. How well do you remember MSDN? In the mid-2000s, Microsoft documentation lived on three or four separate sites, and I don't remember the names of all of them. The two that spring immediately to mind are MSDN and TechNet. MSDN had the infuriating issue of broken links. You'd be deep-diving on an issue, find a link to an article that looked like it might perfectly address your question, and... 404. It got so bad that a VP ended up making a pronouncement, declaring a war on broken links. He announced a multi-year plan to reduce and eventually fix all the broken links on MSDN. This was the vacuum that was partially responsible for the birth of Stack Overflow.

teh_klev 6y ago
> It got so bad that a VP ended up making a pronouncement, declaring a war on broken links. Probably Scott Guthrie initiated that. As some nobody I once emailed him directly because I'd discovered a bug in some framework thing with a reproducible example. He actually replied and cc'd in the relevant people at MS and after a short while there was a workaround and a fix and a KB article or something (it's so long ago I barely remember). Impressed? absolutely. MS still have some pretty good and accessible folks, and I'm a huge fan of Scott Hanselman who's a great brand ambassador for DevDiv (and not beyond a few self-deprecating MS jokes about the company's past).
bhrgunatha 6y ago
They also suffered the same problem mentioned in this post. Documentation pages that showed a method's signature with no explanation of the function or example usage. So many times I'd look something up only to find the method name parroted as a full sentence; and those method names were often obscure to the point of meaninglessness.
jjkaczor 6y ago
Heh... well, I am old enough to remember the offline MSDN - which was great, and the rough transition to online - which got better, eventually... (and the rise of StackOverflow makes more sense in that context) but then at the beginning of the "cloud-era", IMO, it got worse again - to the point that I was constantly complaining about blog articles by MSFT employee's that really should have been folded into the actual documentation/KB instead... It's a hard sell to tell an IT decision-maker in a different team/group that you need to configure things "just so" (think TechNet versus MSDN for configuration/operational articles) when all you have to point them too is a non-official blog post... (Don't even get me started about the quality/out-of-date materials for things like Dynamics 365...)
int_19h 6y ago
In late-90s to mid-00, if you did any serious Win32 or .NET development, you had the MSDN Library installed locally - it had its own help browser, with integrated search and index. The latter was especially useful, since it contained all structs, classes, interfaces, functions etc, across all platforms for which docs were installed. Anything that was available online, official or not, was inferior to that. I'm not sure if it was deliberate, but it significantly hampered the utility of pirated copies of Visual Studio - since MSDN docs would require a lot more CDs than the software, most warez releases stripped them out. And in the developing world, where such pirated software is readily available on physical CDs sold by street vendors, they would usually be priced per CD regardless of what's on it - so a complete VS+MSDN bundle would be a lot more expensive, and thus in relatively low demand, and not widely sold.

teh_klev 6y ago

> It got so bad that a VP ended up making a pronouncement, declaring a war on broken links. Probably Scott Guthrie initiated that. As some nobody I once emailed him directly because I'd discovered a bug in some framework thing with a reproducible example. He actually replied and cc'd in the relevant people at MS and after a short while there was a workaround and a fix and a KB article or something (it's so long ago I barely remember). Impressed? absolutely. MS still have some pretty good and accessible folks, and I'm a huge fan of Scott Hanselman who's a great brand ambassador for DevDiv (and not beyond a few self-deprecating MS jokes about the company's past).

bhrgunatha 6y ago

They also suffered the same problem mentioned in this post. Documentation pages that showed a method's signature with no explanation of the function or example usage. So many times I'd look something up only to find the method name parroted as a full sentence; and those method names were often obscure to the point of meaninglessness.

jjkaczor 6y ago

Heh... well, I am old enough to remember the offline MSDN - which was great, and the rough transition to online - which got better, eventually... (and the rise of StackOverflow makes more sense in that context) but then at the beginning of the "cloud-era", IMO, it got worse again - to the point that I was constantly complaining about blog articles by MSFT employee's that really should have been folded into the actual documentation/KB instead... It's a hard sell to tell an IT decision-maker in a different team/group that you need to configure things "just so" (think TechNet versus MSDN for configuration/operational articles) when all you have to point them too is a non-official blog post... (Don't even get me started about the quality/out-of-date materials for things like Dynamics 365...)

int_19h 6y ago

In late-90s to mid-00, if you did any serious Win32 or .NET development, you had the MSDN Library installed locally - it had its own help browser, with integrated search and index. The latter was especially useful, since it contained all structs, classes, interfaces, functions etc, across all platforms for which docs were installed. Anything that was available online, official or not, was inferior to that. I'm not sure if it was deliberate, but it significantly hampered the utility of pirated copies of Visual Studio - since MSDN docs would require a lot more CDs than the software, most warez releases stripped them out. And in the developing world, where such pirated software is readily available on physical CDs sold by street vendors, they would usually be priced per CD regardless of what's on it - so a complete VS+MSDN bundle would be a lot more expensive, and thus in relatively low demand, and not widely sold.