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I'm suggesting that some of them are. Are you suggesting otherwise? My suggestion is backed up by video footage.

by endtime 16y ago

hasenj 16y ago
I'm suggesting you don't understand how these things work, and thus making bad judgements. When Arabs see Americans celebrating the invasion of Iraq, they see that as "Americans celebrating the destruction of an Arab country and death and humiliation of its people". Such broad generalizations are not a good way of looking at the situation. When people celebrate these kinds of things, they're not celebrating the "death" of civilians. They're celebrating a blow to the international imperial bully. Now I'm not saying this is OK, but it's not any less evil than Americans celebrating the successful invasion of Iraq. EDIT: To put it in a slightly more formal way: Event X occurs, group A views it as Y (something undesirable), group B views it as Z (something desirable). Group B celebrates (wrongly) the occurrence of "Z". Group A sees it as: Group B is celebrating the occurrence of "Y". Group A then wrongly makes an assumption that Group B celebrated the occurrence of Y.
- ellyagg 16y ago
  Immediately after, and for at least months after, polls of Iraqi citizens showed > 50% support for the overthrow of Saddam Hussein. It's dropped below that now, but that certainly demonstrates that there is no uniform Arab thought. As others, they are capable of more sophisticated moral reasoning than "our tribe versus theirs" and detecting the possibility of the toppling of a barbaric regime even by people whose cultura/nationality/skin color differs from their own.
  - hasenj 16y ago
    I didn't say or even try to imply "all Arabs" or "all Americans". Plenty of Americans also marched against the war. What I'm trying to say is, you see people hitting the metaphorical "like" button on something and you immediately assume there's only one explanation for this: these people are evil/rats. This is very wrong. Actually, speaking of the split in Iraq, this is one of the reasons. Various groups had different outlook on the events taking place, and ended up viewing each other as evil scumbags. Next thing you know is people are killing each other.

I'm suggesting that some of them are. Are you suggesting otherwise? My suggestion is backed up by video footage.

by endtime 16y ago

I'm suggesting that some of them are. Are you suggesting otherwise? My suggestion is backed up by video footage.

I'm suggesting you don't understand how these things work, and thus making bad judgements. When Arabs see Americans celebrating the invasion of Iraq, they see that as "Americans celebrating the destruction of an Arab country and death and humiliation of its people". Such broad generalizations are not a good way of looking at the situation. When people celebrate these kinds of things, they're not celebrating the "death" of civilians. They're celebrating a blow to the international imperial bully. Now I'm not saying this is OK, but it's not any less evil than Americans celebrating the successful invasion of Iraq. EDIT: To put it in a slightly more formal way: Event X occurs, group A views it as Y (something undesirable), group B views it as Z (something desirable). Group B celebrates (wrongly) the occurrence of "Z". Group A sees it as: Group B is celebrating the occurrence of "Y". Group A then wrongly makes an assumption that Group B celebrated the occurrence of Y.

ellyagg 16y ago
Immediately after, and for at least months after, polls of Iraqi citizens showed > 50% support for the overthrow of Saddam Hussein. It's dropped below that now, but that certainly demonstrates that there is no uniform Arab thought. As others, they are capable of more sophisticated moral reasoning than "our tribe versus theirs" and detecting the possibility of the toppling of a barbaric regime even by people whose cultura/nationality/skin color differs from their own.
- hasenj 16y ago
  I didn't say or even try to imply "all Arabs" or "all Americans". Plenty of Americans also marched against the war. What I'm trying to say is, you see people hitting the metaphorical "like" button on something and you immediately assume there's only one explanation for this: these people are evil/rats. This is very wrong. Actually, speaking of the split in Iraq, this is one of the reasons. Various groups had different outlook on the events taking place, and ended up viewing each other as evil scumbags. Next thing you know is people are killing each other.