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>The father of the deceased, Hy Greenbaum, has offered a $10,000 reward to any tipster who can help solve his son’s homicide. My heart goes out to parents who

>The father of the deceased, Hy Greenbaum, has offered a $10,000 reward to any tipster who can help solve his son’s homicide. My heart goes out to parents who may disagree with their children, but can't help but love them.

centimeter 6y ago
Hy Greenbaum is almost certainly a Jewish name - morbidly fascinating that his son would have become a Nazi.
- thewakalix 6y ago
  > Hawke was a Jewish-born American
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- core-questions 6y ago
  It says in the article: > A key subject of the book Spam Kings by Brian McWilliams, Hawke was a Jewish-born American who’d legally changed his name from Andrew Britt Greenbaum. so yeah, that's got to be a very messed up psyche, to take on the identity of your enemy.
  - fastball 6y ago
    Sounds like he was maybe just being an opportunistic capitalist. > Under the pseudonym of "Bo Decker," he began selling Nazi merchandise and offering membership to his internet neo-Nazi group "Knights of Freedom" and later the American Nationalist Party.
    - ficklepickle 6y ago
      He was a troll. I also don't imagine he actually held these beliefs, but it doesn't really matter. People that feel rejected by society lash out at society. The overt spam and Nazism is pretty clearly lashing out. I guess he lashed out at the wrong folks, because murders are very rare in Squamish. It looks like he was hiding from someone and they found him. Personally, I would have hidden further from a metro area. Vancouver is very close.
  - Fellshard 6y ago
    I think we see sufficient evidence in our current time that self-loathing is a very useful fuel for self-righteous piety and zeal. If you can be persuaded your very identity is evil, you will do horrifying things to fight it.
- minkeymaniac 6y ago
  It says it right in the article... "A key subject of the book Spam Kings by Brian McWilliams, Hawke was a Jewish-born American who’d legally changed his name from Andrew Britt Greenbaum. For many years, Hawke was a big time purveyor of spam emails hawking pornography and male enhancement supplements, such as herbal Viagra."
- alex_anglin 6y ago
  TFA/blog post does state that. Strange story indeed!
- chrisweekly 6y ago
  I hesitate to post this (I'm no authority, and lack a handy citation), but IIRC it's widely believed that Hitler was aware that he had a Jewish maternal grandparent. It doesn't surprise me too much that these hateful people have plenty of self-directed hate at the core of their sociopathy.
  - ckarmann 6y ago
    No known ancestor of Hitler is Jewish. His paternal grandfather is unknown, and that led some people to speculate that he was Jewish. Hitler had his minions try to clear that up to dispel the rumours, but nobody could find the real father. They concluded of course that he was a pure Aryan. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alois_Hitler#Biological_father https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alois_Hitler#Biological_father
    - chokeartist 6y ago
      Same thing was said about Reinhard Heydrich. I don't really understand the appeal of these rumors. Regardless of the origin of their motivations these guys were really messed up. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinhard_Heydrich https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinhard_Heydrich
- fortran77 6y ago
  The mother determines the religion in Judaism. We don't know if the son was Jewish or if the father's mother was Jewish.
  - gus_massa 6y ago
    I'm not sure why this is downvoted. More info https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrilineality_in_Judaism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrilineality_in_Judaism
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    - komali2 6y ago
      To be fair, it was kinda vaguely implying a universal truth of all religions. I was surprised to find such a short comment suggesting something so far-reaching in potentiality with absolutely no evidence. I was like "is this some wild thing about child development I never knew?" I had no idea this was something specific to Judaism.
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  - ladberg 6y ago
    Usually, Nazis (and neo-Nazis) don't really follow Halakha and only care if you are ethnically Jewish.
    - fortran77 6y ago
      That's certainly true, but it's not right to speculate that the subject of this story is "Jewish" when he lacks a Jewish mother (according to Wikipedia at least) and he hasn't affirmed his Judaism.
- voisin 6y ago
  Didn’t Hitler have some Jewish ancestry?
  - Cthulhu_ 6y ago
    Oh dear I seem to have fallen into a rabbit hole here. Adolf's father, Alois Hitler [0] was born illegitimately and his parentage was never established, meaning that Adolph couldn't establish his own "aryan" descent. Alois Hitler was born as Alois Schicklgruber, but he requested to be legitimized in the name of his stepfather Hiedler, which for some reason was registered as Hitler. In the 1930's, Hitler had his cronies dive into his genealogy and Declare that there was no Jewish ancestry in his family. The rumour went though that Alois' mother (Adolph's grandmother) was working as a servant / cook for a Jewish family, and that the father may have been one of the family members. That's a lot of speculation though. Adolf's mother, Klara Hitler [1] (nèe Pölzl), was Alois' first cousin once removed (yikes); not sure about any Jewish heritage there. TL;DR we can't be sure because his paternal grandfather is unknown, but there's rumours abound. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alois_Hitler https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alois_Hitler [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klara_Hitler https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klara_Hitler
- rebuilder 6y ago
  The man also posed as a "progressive vegan rockclimber", so I wouldn't be willing to conclude much about his true political beliefs based on what this article tells us. For all we know, he just picked alternate personas as varied as possible in order to not be discovered.
  - ficklepickle 6y ago
    Squamish is full of vegan rock climbers, so I assume he was trying to blend in there, at least. Squamish has a lot of mentally and physically healthy people... It makes me uncomfortable because I am not those things.
- vmception 6y ago
  Part of privilege or equality is free association. A lot of people want to freely associate just like anybody else without it being seen as ironic.
  - Cthulhu_ 6y ago
    "You say you vote for Bernie, but your grandfather was a nazi. How curious. I am very intelligent." Anyway, rebelling against parents in the broadest sense of the term is not uncommon at all. Making a hard turn right though, oof.
aaron695 6y ago
> My heart goes out to parents who may disagree with their children, but can't help but love them I don't see anything about a disagreement between father and son. But I'm disturbed you think it necessary to say a disagreement might affect love. This is not normal. It might happen, but it should not be thought of as ok. Even if he was violent multiple times against his father and family, which I'm not reading and I don't know why we might think that? I would still think love would be there, depending on the severity. Hurting other family members might destroy that love. But I don't know why we think this might have happened.

centimeter 6y ago

Hy Greenbaum is almost certainly a Jewish name - morbidly fascinating that his son would have become a Nazi.

thewakalix 6y ago
> Hawke was a Jewish-born American
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core-questions 6y ago
It says in the article: > A key subject of the book Spam Kings by Brian McWilliams, Hawke was a Jewish-born American who’d legally changed his name from Andrew Britt Greenbaum. so yeah, that's got to be a very messed up psyche, to take on the identity of your enemy.
- fastball 6y ago
  Sounds like he was maybe just being an opportunistic capitalist. > Under the pseudonym of "Bo Decker," he began selling Nazi merchandise and offering membership to his internet neo-Nazi group "Knights of Freedom" and later the American Nationalist Party.
  - ficklepickle 6y ago
    He was a troll. I also don't imagine he actually held these beliefs, but it doesn't really matter. People that feel rejected by society lash out at society. The overt spam and Nazism is pretty clearly lashing out. I guess he lashed out at the wrong folks, because murders are very rare in Squamish. It looks like he was hiding from someone and they found him. Personally, I would have hidden further from a metro area. Vancouver is very close.
- Fellshard 6y ago
  I think we see sufficient evidence in our current time that self-loathing is a very useful fuel for self-righteous piety and zeal. If you can be persuaded your very identity is evil, you will do horrifying things to fight it.
minkeymaniac 6y ago
It says it right in the article... "A key subject of the book Spam Kings by Brian McWilliams, Hawke was a Jewish-born American who’d legally changed his name from Andrew Britt Greenbaum. For many years, Hawke was a big time purveyor of spam emails hawking pornography and male enhancement supplements, such as herbal Viagra."
alex_anglin 6y ago
TFA/blog post does state that. Strange story indeed!
chrisweekly 6y ago
I hesitate to post this (I'm no authority, and lack a handy citation), but IIRC it's widely believed that Hitler was aware that he had a Jewish maternal grandparent. It doesn't surprise me too much that these hateful people have plenty of self-directed hate at the core of their sociopathy.
- ckarmann 6y ago
  No known ancestor of Hitler is Jewish. His paternal grandfather is unknown, and that led some people to speculate that he was Jewish. Hitler had his minions try to clear that up to dispel the rumours, but nobody could find the real father. They concluded of course that he was a pure Aryan. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alois_Hitler#Biological_father https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alois_Hitler#Biological_father
  - chokeartist 6y ago
    Same thing was said about Reinhard Heydrich. I don't really understand the appeal of these rumors. Regardless of the origin of their motivations these guys were really messed up. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinhard_Heydrich https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinhard_Heydrich
fortran77 6y ago
The mother determines the religion in Judaism. We don't know if the son was Jewish or if the father's mother was Jewish.
- gus_massa 6y ago
  I'm not sure why this is downvoted. More info https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrilineality_in_Judaism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrilineality_in_Judaism
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  - komali2 6y ago
    To be fair, it was kinda vaguely implying a universal truth of all religions. I was surprised to find such a short comment suggesting something so far-reaching in potentiality with absolutely no evidence. I was like "is this some wild thing about child development I never knew?" I had no idea this was something specific to Judaism.
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- ladberg 6y ago
  Usually, Nazis (and neo-Nazis) don't really follow Halakha and only care if you are ethnically Jewish.
  - fortran77 6y ago
    That's certainly true, but it's not right to speculate that the subject of this story is "Jewish" when he lacks a Jewish mother (according to Wikipedia at least) and he hasn't affirmed his Judaism.
voisin 6y ago
Didn’t Hitler have some Jewish ancestry?
- Cthulhu_ 6y ago
  Oh dear I seem to have fallen into a rabbit hole here. Adolf's father, Alois Hitler [0] was born illegitimately and his parentage was never established, meaning that Adolph couldn't establish his own "aryan" descent. Alois Hitler was born as Alois Schicklgruber, but he requested to be legitimized in the name of his stepfather Hiedler, which for some reason was registered as Hitler. In the 1930's, Hitler had his cronies dive into his genealogy and Declare that there was no Jewish ancestry in his family. The rumour went though that Alois' mother (Adolph's grandmother) was working as a servant / cook for a Jewish family, and that the father may have been one of the family members. That's a lot of speculation though. Adolf's mother, Klara Hitler [1] (nèe Pölzl), was Alois' first cousin once removed (yikes); not sure about any Jewish heritage there. TL;DR we can't be sure because his paternal grandfather is unknown, but there's rumours abound. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alois_Hitler https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alois_Hitler [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klara_Hitler https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klara_Hitler
rebuilder 6y ago
The man also posed as a "progressive vegan rockclimber", so I wouldn't be willing to conclude much about his true political beliefs based on what this article tells us. For all we know, he just picked alternate personas as varied as possible in order to not be discovered.
- ficklepickle 6y ago
  Squamish is full of vegan rock climbers, so I assume he was trying to blend in there, at least. Squamish has a lot of mentally and physically healthy people... It makes me uncomfortable because I am not those things.
vmception 6y ago
Part of privilege or equality is free association. A lot of people want to freely associate just like anybody else without it being seen as ironic.
- Cthulhu_ 6y ago
  "You say you vote for Bernie, but your grandfather was a nazi. How curious. I am very intelligent." Anyway, rebelling against parents in the broadest sense of the term is not uncommon at all. Making a hard turn right though, oof.

aaron695 6y ago

> My heart goes out to parents who may disagree with their children, but can't help but love them I don't see anything about a disagreement between father and son. But I'm disturbed you think it necessary to say a disagreement might affect love. This is not normal. It might happen, but it should not be thought of as ok. Even if he was violent multiple times against his father and family, which I'm not reading and I don't know why we might think that? I would still think love would be there, depending on the severity. Hurting other family members might destroy that love. But I don't know why we think this might have happened.