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> People tell the truth, when you ask them who they’re voting for. They really do, on average. That might have been true in the past. From 2016-2020, Trump su

by EEMac 6y ago

> People tell the truth, when you ask them who they’re voting for. They really do, on average. That might have been true in the past. From 2016-2020, Trump supporters have been loudly and repeatedly called racistNaziMisogynistHomophobe, or the polite version, "deplorable". That is not an environment that encourages honesty.

mjevans 6y ago
Trump supporters do seem to differ from my view of a 'traditional republican'; if not the actions of the namesake (which I do view as the negative things you describe) what do they see in the candidate or platform being supported?
- anonRepub12345 6y ago
  Since you did not specify what you consider a "traditional republican" to be, I'll tell you why I voted for Donald Trump: 1) No new wars started, despite media outcry in 2016 that he'd take us into WWIII; 2) Historic peace deals between Israel and its neighbors - again, in spite of accusations that Jerrod Kushner did not have any diplomatic skills and would botch anything he touched; 3) Strong federalist approach to COVID - while the media and Democrats decry Trump's approach to COVID, I appreciated his willingness to make Federal resources available to the states that requested them rather than force them onto unwilling governors; 4) His respect and support for the military - not always a favorable viewpoint for non-Americans, or even more liberal Americans, but I think has been a mainstay of Republicans for a while; 5) His support for law and order - we have to be a nation of laws and the riots and looting (not protests) that were a feature across the nation this summer that were supported by mayors, governors, and Democratic Representatives and Senators was saddening to watch; 6) His understanding that the response to COVID should not be worse than the disease itself and that the economy should be allowed to continue to operate, we cannot go into a permanent lockdown status and thrive as a country; 7) The economic growth we had pre-COVID was great as well as the economic opportunities for minorities and women. What policies did Trump enact which you think animated the support that Trump received?
  - mjevans 6y ago
    Thank you for your reply and sharing your point of view. Answering your question: I didn't have any theory relating Trump's actual policy implementation accomplishments to support. Rather _my opinion_ is still a _belief_ that most who support the 45th president as a candidate do so based on blind charisma and an extra sweet helping of wishful thinking.
stanford_labrat 6y ago
As a center right moderate I definitely feel this. Especially at work/with acquaintances where I feel compelled to just silently nod and agree with everything being said or else risk my career and social standing.
- 0xffff2 6y ago
  As a center right moderate, did you vote for Trump? I might use similar terms to describe my political beliefs if I was into labels, and I feel none of this. I've always been frank about my political leanings when it comes up, and no one I know has had any trouble talking about the issues while leaving the Candidates out of it. That said, given where the Republican party is right now, I can't imagine voting for any R on the ballot (and contra-wise Biden and Jerry Brown are the only two D votes I've ever cast, both entirely in opposition to the frankly scary Republican opponent, not in support of the candidate).
  - stanford_labrat 6y ago
    I did not vote...I've found similarly that issues-wise discussion is not bad, but more often than not conversation is always about the candidates themselves as a package and support for one particular policy means you support all of them.

by EEMac 6y ago

mjevans 6y ago

Trump supporters do seem to differ from my view of a 'traditional republican'; if not the actions of the namesake (which I do view as the negative things you describe) what do they see in the candidate or platform being supported?

anonRepub12345 6y ago
Since you did not specify what you consider a "traditional republican" to be, I'll tell you why I voted for Donald Trump: 1) No new wars started, despite media outcry in 2016 that he'd take us into WWIII; 2) Historic peace deals between Israel and its neighbors - again, in spite of accusations that Jerrod Kushner did not have any diplomatic skills and would botch anything he touched; 3) Strong federalist approach to COVID - while the media and Democrats decry Trump's approach to COVID, I appreciated his willingness to make Federal resources available to the states that requested them rather than force them onto unwilling governors; 4) His respect and support for the military - not always a favorable viewpoint for non-Americans, or even more liberal Americans, but I think has been a mainstay of Republicans for a while; 5) His support for law and order - we have to be a nation of laws and the riots and looting (not protests) that were a feature across the nation this summer that were supported by mayors, governors, and Democratic Representatives and Senators was saddening to watch; 6) His understanding that the response to COVID should not be worse than the disease itself and that the economy should be allowed to continue to operate, we cannot go into a permanent lockdown status and thrive as a country; 7) The economic growth we had pre-COVID was great as well as the economic opportunities for minorities and women. What policies did Trump enact which you think animated the support that Trump received?
- mjevans 6y ago
  Thank you for your reply and sharing your point of view. Answering your question: I didn't have any theory relating Trump's actual policy implementation accomplishments to support. Rather _my opinion_ is still a _belief_ that most who support the 45th president as a candidate do so based on blind charisma and an extra sweet helping of wishful thinking.

stanford_labrat 6y ago

As a center right moderate I definitely feel this. Especially at work/with acquaintances where I feel compelled to just silently nod and agree with everything being said or else risk my career and social standing.

0xffff2 6y ago
As a center right moderate, did you vote for Trump? I might use similar terms to describe my political beliefs if I was into labels, and I feel none of this. I've always been frank about my political leanings when it comes up, and no one I know has had any trouble talking about the issues while leaving the Candidates out of it. That said, given where the Republican party is right now, I can't imagine voting for any R on the ballot (and contra-wise Biden and Jerry Brown are the only two D votes I've ever cast, both entirely in opposition to the frankly scary Republican opponent, not in support of the candidate).
- stanford_labrat 6y ago
  I did not vote...I've found similarly that issues-wise discussion is not bad, but more often than not conversation is always about the candidates themselves as a package and support for one particular policy means you support all of them.