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> Or not I guess as it means I won't be buying anything today Honestly, people who don't use their computers as Facebook machines or have very specific things

by xienze 6y ago

> Or not I guess as it means I won't be buying anything today Honestly, people who don't use their computers as Facebook machines or have very specific things they want to do with the ML engine should probably stay away from Arm Macs for a couple years. There's bound to be plenty of software that doesn't work or doesn't work well, Docker will have ~limited usefulness until more and more people publish Arm images, etc. Plus I'm waiting for the typical Apple move of screwing early adopters by announcing that next year's model is 3x as fast, $200 cheaper, etc.

diehunde 6y ago
I didn't watch the event, but if you have an Intel MacBook, will everything keep working as it is now? Even when upgrading to Big Sur?
- Kognito 6y ago
  Yeah, there’s no change for Intel Mac owners really. Given Apple will still be selling Intel Macs through 2021 and likely 2022, I’d expect them to be fully supported through something like 2026/7 (though your exact model may vary depending on its current age).
2ion 6y ago
Will Apple to transparent emulation (x86-on-ARM) or just not run x86 binaries?
- wffurr 6y ago
  Rosetta 2 is a x86_64 to ARM64 translation layer. https://developer.apple.com/documentation/apple_silicon/about_the_rosetta_translation_environment https://developer.apple.com/documentation/apple_silicon/abou... Some things still won't run though. Among other issues, there's a page size difference (16 kb vs 4 kb) that bit Chrome (since fixed): https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=1102194 https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=110219...
  - gsnedders 6y ago
    > Some things still won't run though. Among other issues, there's a page size difference (16 kb vs 4 kb) that bit Chrome (since fixed): https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=110219 https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=110219... Rosetta 2 on shipping hardware uses 4kb pages; it was only the DTK that was 16kb-only.
unethical_ban 6y ago
Hmmm... What is the day 1 ability for, say, a systems programmer to run VSCode/golang development locally? It'd be neat to find out. The fact that they don't say doesn't tell me much, either it's "not a problem" or it's "such a problem we won't talk about it".
- saagarjha 6y ago
  Both should work in Rosetta for now and I expect them to become native in the next few months.
- deleted 6y ago
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- mytec 6y ago
  The Visual Studio Code team tweeted that they are targeting a release for the Insiders channel by the end of November. https://twitter.com/code/status/1326237772860981249?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1326237772860981249%7Ctwgr%5Eshare_3&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.imore.com%2Fapple-silicon-build-microsofts-visual-studio-code-dev-app-isnt-far-away https://twitter.com/code/status/1326237772860981249?ref_src=...
lostlogin 6y ago
> Plus I'm waiting for the typical Apple move of screwing early adopters by announcing that next year's model is 3x as fast, $200 cheaper, etc. They aren’t screwed, the early adopters adopt the new model early by definition. They get the new model and the move on to the next new model. I know several of these bold individuals.
RoutinePlayer 6y ago
Such a good point. I wonder how many folks don't actually realize there's a different ecosystem for Docker x86 and ARM images.

by xienze 6y ago

diehunde 6y ago

I didn't watch the event, but if you have an Intel MacBook, will everything keep working as it is now? Even when upgrading to Big Sur?

Kognito 6y ago
Yeah, there’s no change for Intel Mac owners really. Given Apple will still be selling Intel Macs through 2021 and likely 2022, I’d expect them to be fully supported through something like 2026/7 (though your exact model may vary depending on its current age).

2ion 6y ago

Will Apple to transparent emulation (x86-on-ARM) or just not run x86 binaries?

wffurr 6y ago
Rosetta 2 is a x86_64 to ARM64 translation layer. https://developer.apple.com/documentation/apple_silicon/about_the_rosetta_translation_environment https://developer.apple.com/documentation/apple_silicon/abou... Some things still won't run though. Among other issues, there's a page size difference (16 kb vs 4 kb) that bit Chrome (since fixed): https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=1102194 https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=110219...
- gsnedders 6y ago
  > Some things still won't run though. Among other issues, there's a page size difference (16 kb vs 4 kb) that bit Chrome (since fixed): https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=110219 https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=110219... Rosetta 2 on shipping hardware uses 4kb pages; it was only the DTK that was 16kb-only.

unethical_ban 6y ago

Hmmm... What is the day 1 ability for, say, a systems programmer to run VSCode/golang development locally? It'd be neat to find out. The fact that they don't say doesn't tell me much, either it's "not a problem" or it's "such a problem we won't talk about it".

saagarjha 6y ago
Both should work in Rosetta for now and I expect them to become native in the next few months.
deleted 6y ago
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mytec 6y ago
The Visual Studio Code team tweeted that they are targeting a release for the Insiders channel by the end of November. https://twitter.com/code/status/1326237772860981249?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1326237772860981249%7Ctwgr%5Eshare_3&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.imore.com%2Fapple-silicon-build-microsofts-visual-studio-code-dev-app-isnt-far-away https://twitter.com/code/status/1326237772860981249?ref_src=...

lostlogin 6y ago

> Plus I'm waiting for the typical Apple move of screwing early adopters by announcing that next year's model is 3x as fast, $200 cheaper, etc. They aren’t screwed, the early adopters adopt the new model early by definition. They get the new model and the move on to the next new model. I know several of these bold individuals.

RoutinePlayer 6y ago

Such a good point. I wonder how many folks don't actually realize there's a different ecosystem for Docker x86 and ARM images.