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Have they said anything about hyperkit on the new platform? And being able to run stuff like Docker for Mac? I've seen lots said about the lack of Bootcamp sup

by cactus2093 6y ago

Have they said anything about hyperkit on the new platform? And being able to run stuff like Docker for Mac? I've seen lots said about the lack of Bootcamp support but I've actually never even used Bootcamp, Linux VMS are much more relevant for me and I imagine many other developers.

ariporad 6y ago
During WWDC, they explicitly said that Apple Silicon will support virtualization and Docker. Rosetta doesn't work for virtualization though, so you have to run an ARM version of Linux. They don't support booting directly to a non-Mac OS, AFAIK. Rumor has it that they'll eventually support virtualized Windows, but it's currently impossible for an end-user to buy a copy of ARM Windows.
- lisnake 6y ago
  Windows 10 version for raspberry pi used to be freely available
dwaite 6y ago
From their roadmap, it does not appear they have really investigated this yet. [1] Rosetta 2 translates Mac apps and can deal with JIT, but I do not believe it will work through virtualization. It should be relatively light lifting to make Docker for Mac run an ARM linux installation and ARM-built containers. From there, you likely would want to strategically add multi-arch container support to the docker runtime. This might be implemented based on existing qemu containers [2] 1: https://github.com/docker/roadmap/issues/142 https://github.com/docker/roadmap/issues/142 2: https://github.com/multiarch/qemu-user-static https://github.com/multiarch/qemu-user-static
- saagarjha 6y ago
  Rosetta is all emulation, there’s no virtualization involved.
rjsw 6y ago
Do you want to run a Linux/x86_64 VM or a Linux/aarch64 one ?
- cactus2093 6y ago
  Well if I get to choose then I might as well ask for both. But ultimately I don't really care, I just want to `docker run postgres:latest` to develop web and mobile applications against against, and build a Dockerfile to be able to run a server-side ruby, python, java, go, etc. app locally for development.

ariporad 6y ago

During WWDC, they explicitly said that Apple Silicon will support virtualization and Docker. Rosetta doesn't work for virtualization though, so you have to run an ARM version of Linux. They don't support booting directly to a non-Mac OS, AFAIK. Rumor has it that they'll eventually support virtualized Windows, but it's currently impossible for an end-user to buy a copy of ARM Windows.

lisnake 6y ago
Windows 10 version for raspberry pi used to be freely available

dwaite 6y ago

From their roadmap, it does not appear they have really investigated this yet. [1] Rosetta 2 translates Mac apps and can deal with JIT, but I do not believe it will work through virtualization. It should be relatively light lifting to make Docker for Mac run an ARM linux installation and ARM-built containers. From there, you likely would want to strategically add multi-arch container support to the docker runtime. This might be implemented based on existing qemu containers [2] 1: https://github.com/docker/roadmap/issues/142 https://github.com/docker/roadmap/issues/142 2: https://github.com/multiarch/qemu-user-static https://github.com/multiarch/qemu-user-static

saagarjha 6y ago
Rosetta is all emulation, there’s no virtualization involved.

rjsw 6y ago

Do you want to run a Linux/x86_64 VM or a Linux/aarch64 one ?

cactus2093 6y ago
Well if I get to choose then I might as well ask for both. But ultimately I don't really care, I just want to `docker run postgres:latest` to develop web and mobile applications against against, and build a Dockerfile to be able to run a server-side ruby, python, java, go, etc. app locally for development.