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I'm very curious to see some real benchmarks. I have no doubt that they've achieved state of the art efficiency using 5nm, but I have a harder time believing th
by kayson 6y ago
I'm very curious to see some real benchmarks. I have no doubt that they've achieved state of the art efficiency using 5nm, but I have a harder time believing that they can outperform the highest end of AMD and Intel's mobile offerings by so much (especially without active cooling). Their completely unit-less graph axes are really something...
- saagarjha 6y agoSomeone will probably Geekbench it by next week.
- jonplackett 6y agoThey can probably out perform them, but only for a few seconds/minutes. That's why they put a fan in the pro.
- WanderPanda 6y agoWhich actually sounds like a good fit for a dev machine, where you only compile once in a while, but do not sustain high loads
- the8472 6y agolooks at 1-hour compile-test runs on a threadripper yes, of course, great fit.
- McAtNite 6y agoIt’s a great option for office work. Need a day off? Have some errands? Hit the compile button.
- stevehawk 6y agololwut. you mean let your CI/CD on a real computer/server compile it much faster so you can keep working?
- alisonkisk 6y agoSeems silly to do that compile/test on a laptop instead of a server.
- vmchale 6y agoWell they're advertising XCode so
- kkarakk 6y agoif you have a server for on demand compiles why would you buy a macbook over el cheapo linux machine? besides vanity ofc
- bloody-crow 6y agoOSX and overall better dev experience?
- tonyhb 6y agoWhere's dmesg, kvm, namespaces, cgroups, and package management built in? What about inodes and cpu spikes even running node on osx? Let alone doing that inside a container. Nah. OSX is long gone for "better dev experience". Linux always wins.
- thrwyoilarticle 6y agoNot at the company I work for.
- tonyhb 6y agoOn the one hand I'm kind of jealous, but on the other it's really fun :D
- sprayk 6y ago> better dev experience what constitutes a better dev experience?
- vmchale 6y agoMy compiles take like 8 minutes at worst.
- jonplackett 6y agoYou'd hit thermal throttling way before 8 minutes I'd guess. A lot of my iPhone app builds are pretty quick though, < 1 minute.
- hajile 6y agoI did a lot of development on a pixelbook. Things were mostly fine for development, but compiling took 2-3x as long due to throttling. Our unit tests took around 30 minutes on a fast system though and were simply not worth running outside of the specific tests I was writing.
- ehsankia 6y agoSo if I understand they have the exact same chip in the Air as the Pro? Will better thermal make that much of a difference? Is there really that big of a reason to get Pro over Air at this point?
- jonplackett 6y agoBetter thermal will make a big difference for anything where you need high power for a long period. Like editing video for example. Anything where you need only shorter bursts of power won't make as big of a difference. But better thermals will probably mean they can run the CPU in the Pro at higher base clock speed anyway, so it will probably be faster than the air all around - we'll have to wait for benchmarks to know for sure though.
- mrguyorama 6y agoRead the fine print at the bottom, the claims they are making seem very..... not backed up by their testing. They chip they say they beat that makes them the best in the world is the last gen mackbook with an i7
- CraftThatBlock 6y agoWhich was severely underpowered because the cooling solution was knee-capped. This is partly Intel's fault, but they made their last-gen so underwhelming that this _had_ to be better
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- read_if_gay_ 6y agoTheir claimed 3x faster is massive even if the baseline is low. And they also achieved that vs. the Mac Mini's 3.6GHz i3. So I don't think fastest singlethread performance is an outlandish claim. Historically speaking, Apple doesn't underdelivier on their claimed numbers. I'm excited to see what they'll do with a full desktop power budget.
- grecy 6y agoApple's A series chips have been decimating the competition in phones for years now, what makes you think they can't do the same in this space?
- izacus 6y agoThe fact that, like in most industries, it's easy to catch up and very hard to beat once you do. It's very telling that Apple didn't compare their M1 with something like AMD Zen3.
- kingnothing 6y agoThey don't use AMD processors in their current products. It would have been a meaningless comparison to their customers.
- thrwyoilarticle 6y agoBecause Zen 3 has been out for a week
- bla3 6y agoIf they could outperform AMD/Intel today, they would've offered 16" MBPs / iMacs / Mac Pros. Today, they have power-efficient chips, so they converted their low-end machines, and Mini so that companies porting their software can start migrating their build farms.
- julienb_sea 6y agoI don't see why they need to rush into the higher end. Let ARM chips prove themselves for consumer scale. Enterprise is going to be weary of the new tech and potential compatibility issues. Proving it in the consumer market makes far more sense, and they really get to flex the benefits in something like a macbook air. Fanless, silent, and huge battery life increases are really tangible upgrades. A beefy chip in an MBP 16 will be exciting, and I'm sure they are working on that, but it will make far more sense once ARM is established in the "normal" consumer models.
- acchow 6y agoThey probably beat AMD/Intel on perf/power efficiency, which is why it makes sense for MBA and 13" MBP. The smaller machines are also likely held back by cooling solutions, so if you have Intel beat on power efficiency in a tiny form factor, you can boost your clock speed too.
- reader_mode 6y agoConsidering how AMD also beats intel on power/perf by a wide margin and they compared their results against Intel CPUs I wouldn't be surprised if their power/performance was close to AMD (they do have heterogeneous CPU cores which of course is not the case in traditional x86)
- hajile 6y agoAMD's Smart Memory Access would like to have a word. I'd note that in unoptimized games, they're projecting a 5% performance boost between their stock overclock and SMA (rumors put the overclock at only around 1%). https://www.amd.com/en/technologies/smart-access-memory https://www.amd.com/en/technologies/smart-access-memory
- xondono 6y agoThe thing is that even new Ryzen cores start shining at >20W, while ARM SOCs (especially with 5nm) can do very well at these low power envelopes.
- ogre_codes 6y ago> (especially without active cooling) It seems likely the higher end of the performance curves are only attainable on the systems with active cooling. Or at least only sustainable with active cooling. So the MacBook Air would still realize the efficiency gains, but never the peak performance on that chart.