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Yes, let's hope this spells the end of the TSA. I know it's a non sequitur--but so was forming the TSA in the first place.

aik 15y ago
And in other news we've supposedly just killed Gadaffi's brother and grandchildren. I don't see that happening anytime soon unfortunately.
plainOldText 15y ago
just because bin laden is dead doesn't mean terrorism is "dead".
- webwright 15y ago
  How alive is terrorism, really? How challenging would it be to poison a reservoir, poison random groceries across the country, blow up the Alaska Pipeline, etc. Any motivated terrorist would attack us where we aren't so vigilant. I'm honestly pretty unsure about how many motivated terrorists there are out there-- if there were out there (and well-financed), couldn't they be crippling us with a dozen different types of attacks? The TSA is like putting your hand on a screen door to keep out the wind. We've got better things to do with our time and money.
  - sliverstorm 15y ago
    A terrorist aims to incite terror. They do this by making you feel weak and vulnerable and unsafe, which is not necessarily achieved by poisoning your reservoir. Someone who just tries to cause as much damage or kill as many people as possible, is not a terrorist. I think they are just known as criminals or militants.
    - humbledrone 15y ago
      Have you thought through what would happen if a major US city's water system was effectively poisoned? Terror is easily the first word that comes to my mind. Beyond the immediate consequences in the affected city, there's be a HUGE run on bottled water across the country. I for one would feel extremely weak (I have no way to tell if my water is safe), vulnerable (water is a basic requirement, and it might be compromised) and unsafe (no example needed).
      - GFischer 15y ago
        Let's put it this way: yesterday an ignorant but worried lady expressed concern that she is going to San Francisco, if the water and seafood are safe and not radiation-poisoned. The connection being that they're "in the Pacific" same as Japan and Fukushima, and that made her scared. TV scare-mongering made a lady from Uruguay feel afraid from something that happened literally half a world away from where she's going... if someone poisoned an US city's water, she's never going to the US again for certain.
    - extension 15y ago
      Really? I depend on drinking water a lot more than airline travel. I think people would freak out pretty fast once they started dropping dead.
      - palish 15y ago
        ... And then they'd drop.
    - StavrosK 15y ago
      By your definition, the politicians are terrorists. I'm not sure I disagree with that.
    - gwern 15y ago
      > A terrorist aims to incite terror. They do this by making you feel weak and vulnerable and unsafe, which is not necessarily achieved by poisoning your reservoir. Terrorism is not about terror: http://www.gwern.net/Terrorism%20is%20not%20about%20Terror http://www.gwern.net/Terrorism%20is%20not%20about%20Terror
  - Tomis 15y ago
    Please stand by. An agent will be with you shortly to answer all your terrorism-related questions.
  - jeza 15y ago
    Well evidently it's still occurring in the Middle East, as evidenced evidenced by the attack in Marrakech, Morocco the other day. This also reinforces the point that they don't just kill westerners, they kill muslims as well. Even if it were targeted at westerners, scaring tourists away isn't going to be good for their local economy. It's certainly true that terrorists will look for a soft target if they want to carry out an attack. Our air security procedures here in Australia aren't so draconian as the US and it hasn't caused us any problems. Though it has resulted in some other draconian policies such as banning photography in certain public places (such as public transport) in the name of terrorist. Because surely a potential terrorist would make themselves stand out by using a blatantly obvious SLR camera rather an an obscure camera hidden in a pocket or a bag. Not to mention they could just memorise what they see and sketch it later.
  - xster 15y ago
    poison our groceries? I don't think we need terrorists to do it for us. Our corporations don't like competitions
StavrosK 15y ago
Does anyone really think that the TSA formed to keep people safe? It seems to me it's just an excuse for the government covering its back and eroding civil liberties under the guise of "oooh, the terrrists".
- jrockway 15y ago
  The TSA doesn't really have much to do with civil liberties. It's just a way for the people in charge of the TSA to spend money on their friends' body scanning equipment. The officers themselves are also costly, which makes the department Look Important. The rest of the DHS is what's scary, especially Customs. That is where the siezed domain names and the "Constitution-free zones" come from.
  - StavrosK 15y ago
    Hmm, isn't the naked-body-scanner thing the most visible/egregious, though? I agree that seized domains are just as important, if not more, but almost every single person is affected by the absurdity the body scanners are. Maybe I'm the only one who thinks that people asking to photograph you naked so you can get on a plane is outrageous, though, because nobody else at the airport seemed to mind...
- xster 15y ago
  "If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." - James Madison I don't think this child play is really meant to give any doubts about its intent even centuries ago
- lallysingh 15y ago
  Originally I believe it was setup as a big show to make people feel safe getting on airplanes again after 9/11. The problem was that it was a 'safety' organization, and implicitly became a third-rail problem. It's hard to kill or control these things, no wonder how innocuous (a theater organization) it was originally intended to be.
  - 15y ago

aik 15y ago

And in other news we've supposedly just killed Gadaffi's brother and grandchildren. I don't see that happening anytime soon unfortunately.

plainOldText 15y ago

just because bin laden is dead doesn't mean terrorism is "dead".

webwright 15y ago
How alive is terrorism, really? How challenging would it be to poison a reservoir, poison random groceries across the country, blow up the Alaska Pipeline, etc. Any motivated terrorist would attack us where we aren't so vigilant. I'm honestly pretty unsure about how many motivated terrorists there are out there-- if there were out there (and well-financed), couldn't they be crippling us with a dozen different types of attacks? The TSA is like putting your hand on a screen door to keep out the wind. We've got better things to do with our time and money.
- sliverstorm 15y ago
  A terrorist aims to incite terror. They do this by making you feel weak and vulnerable and unsafe, which is not necessarily achieved by poisoning your reservoir. Someone who just tries to cause as much damage or kill as many people as possible, is not a terrorist. I think they are just known as criminals or militants.
  - humbledrone 15y ago
    Have you thought through what would happen if a major US city's water system was effectively poisoned? Terror is easily the first word that comes to my mind. Beyond the immediate consequences in the affected city, there's be a HUGE run on bottled water across the country. I for one would feel extremely weak (I have no way to tell if my water is safe), vulnerable (water is a basic requirement, and it might be compromised) and unsafe (no example needed).
    - GFischer 15y ago
      Let's put it this way: yesterday an ignorant but worried lady expressed concern that she is going to San Francisco, if the water and seafood are safe and not radiation-poisoned. The connection being that they're "in the Pacific" same as Japan and Fukushima, and that made her scared. TV scare-mongering made a lady from Uruguay feel afraid from something that happened literally half a world away from where she's going... if someone poisoned an US city's water, she's never going to the US again for certain.
  - extension 15y ago
    Really? I depend on drinking water a lot more than airline travel. I think people would freak out pretty fast once they started dropping dead.
    - palish 15y ago
      ... And then they'd drop.
  - StavrosK 15y ago
    By your definition, the politicians are terrorists. I'm not sure I disagree with that.
  - gwern 15y ago
    > A terrorist aims to incite terror. They do this by making you feel weak and vulnerable and unsafe, which is not necessarily achieved by poisoning your reservoir. Terrorism is not about terror: http://www.gwern.net/Terrorism%20is%20not%20about%20Terror http://www.gwern.net/Terrorism%20is%20not%20about%20Terror
- Tomis 15y ago
  Please stand by. An agent will be with you shortly to answer all your terrorism-related questions.
- jeza 15y ago
  Well evidently it's still occurring in the Middle East, as evidenced evidenced by the attack in Marrakech, Morocco the other day. This also reinforces the point that they don't just kill westerners, they kill muslims as well. Even if it were targeted at westerners, scaring tourists away isn't going to be good for their local economy. It's certainly true that terrorists will look for a soft target if they want to carry out an attack. Our air security procedures here in Australia aren't so draconian as the US and it hasn't caused us any problems. Though it has resulted in some other draconian policies such as banning photography in certain public places (such as public transport) in the name of terrorist. Because surely a potential terrorist would make themselves stand out by using a blatantly obvious SLR camera rather an an obscure camera hidden in a pocket or a bag. Not to mention they could just memorise what they see and sketch it later.
- xster 15y ago
  poison our groceries? I don't think we need terrorists to do it for us. Our corporations don't like competitions

StavrosK 15y ago

Does anyone really think that the TSA formed to keep people safe? It seems to me it's just an excuse for the government covering its back and eroding civil liberties under the guise of "oooh, the terrrists".

jrockway 15y ago
The TSA doesn't really have much to do with civil liberties. It's just a way for the people in charge of the TSA to spend money on their friends' body scanning equipment. The officers themselves are also costly, which makes the department Look Important. The rest of the DHS is what's scary, especially Customs. That is where the siezed domain names and the "Constitution-free zones" come from.
- StavrosK 15y ago
  Hmm, isn't the naked-body-scanner thing the most visible/egregious, though? I agree that seized domains are just as important, if not more, but almost every single person is affected by the absurdity the body scanners are. Maybe I'm the only one who thinks that people asking to photograph you naked so you can get on a plane is outrageous, though, because nobody else at the airport seemed to mind...
xster 15y ago
"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." - James Madison I don't think this child play is really meant to give any doubts about its intent even centuries ago
lallysingh 15y ago
Originally I believe it was setup as a big show to make people feel safe getting on airplanes again after 9/11. The problem was that it was a 'safety' organization, and implicitly became a third-rail problem. It's hard to kill or control these things, no wonder how innocuous (a theater organization) it was originally intended to be.
- 15y ago