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Congratulations to the team but more than a year after the Surface Pro X shipped and there is still no way to build desktop applications for aarch64 using dotne

Congratulations to the team but more than a year after the Surface Pro X shipped and there is still no way to build desktop applications for aarch64 using dotnet/vs2019 on the local machine. Windows on ARM has no native support for WPF, WinForms, or WinUI. Visual Studio 2019 running as x86 32bits application can't see the local machine as a target for aarch64 applications. When I asked microsoft, the response was to use a x86-64 machine to develop on the same LAN as the aarch64 machine and use remote debugging. So you need two machines to ship a desktop application. This is bad, and part of the reason there are so few app running natively on the Surface Pro X.

Longhanks 6y ago
Meanwhile, this week launch three Apple products that come with a free toolchain and IDE tailored perfectly to the new architecture that supports old and new UI APIs. On the Windows side, Visual Studio is still a 32bit application, and as you have pointed out, on ARM, it supports basically nothing but the ancient Win32 C API.
- hackerfromthefu 6y ago
  Yes but on Apple then you are at the mercy of the XCode environment. It's not all it's cracked up to be, and it's pretty cracked up..
- masterofmisc 6y ago
  Yep, they are just quietly slogging away over there on thier singular vision. They are not all over the map like Microsoft have been in the past: Throw everything against a wall and see what sticks approach!
doublerebel 6y ago
Similarly, porting from HoloLens 1 (x86) to HoloLens 2 (aarch64) has been... challenging in many cases. For instance, there is no Fortran compiler easily available for Windows aarch64, but Apple has promised to ship one for the new Apple Silicon on day 1. EDIT: Here it is, right on time -- https://www.nag.com/news/first-fortran-compiler-apple-silicon-macs https://www.nag.com/news/first-fortran-compiler-apple-silico...
- aidenn0 6y ago
  It's because Microsoft is a small company with no history of implementing programming languages.

Longhanks 6y ago

Meanwhile, this week launch three Apple products that come with a free toolchain and IDE tailored perfectly to the new architecture that supports old and new UI APIs. On the Windows side, Visual Studio is still a 32bit application, and as you have pointed out, on ARM, it supports basically nothing but the ancient Win32 C API.

hackerfromthefu 6y ago
Yes but on Apple then you are at the mercy of the XCode environment. It's not all it's cracked up to be, and it's pretty cracked up..
masterofmisc 6y ago
Yep, they are just quietly slogging away over there on thier singular vision. They are not all over the map like Microsoft have been in the past: Throw everything against a wall and see what sticks approach!

doublerebel 6y ago

Similarly, porting from HoloLens 1 (x86) to HoloLens 2 (aarch64) has been... challenging in many cases. For instance, there is no Fortran compiler easily available for Windows aarch64, but Apple has promised to ship one for the new Apple Silicon on day 1. EDIT: Here it is, right on time -- https://www.nag.com/news/first-fortran-compiler-apple-silicon-macs https://www.nag.com/news/first-fortran-compiler-apple-silico...

aidenn0 6y ago
It's because Microsoft is a small company with no history of implementing programming languages.