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Obama just won re-election, if this is true..assuming if he can get gas prices down..

by shareme 15y ago

sigzero 15y ago
Why? He was only following the plan laid down by the previous President. Nobody in their right mind should credit this to Obama. The US Military should get the full credit. They are the minds and planning behind what happened not any President.
- Rariel 15y ago
  "Nobody in their right mind should credit this to Obama." Why not? He gets the blame for the last administration's screw ups so why shouldn't he take the glory of finding bin laden? (Not that I agree the last admin did anything to help find Osama). Additionally, he's the commander in chief of the military--so the head of the military shouldn't get credit?
- ajays 15y ago
  At a tactical level, you are correct: the credit goes to the US military. But you have to give credit to Obama too. Bush had his eyes focused on Iraq, and let BinLaden escape a few times. I still vividly remember, at some press conference a couple of years after 9/11, Bush was asked: what about Bin Laden? He callously replied, "I don't worry about Bin Laden. I don't care about him." So, if Obama had continued Bush's policy, we would not have got Bin Laden. Obama changed the policy and made Bin Laden priority #1 again, and you have the results today.
  - jamesbritt 15y ago
    Obama changed the policy and made Bin Laden priority #1 again, and you have the results today. And you know this because of a comment most likely made to avoid giving bin Laden more public attention or further elevating his importance? Regardless of what one thinks of George W. I have a hard time believing he didn't want bin Laden dead or captured any less than anyone else in the USA, and these kinds of public statements are no way to divine what the CIA has been sent out to do.
    - Synthetase 15y ago
      The proof is in the pudding. GWB may have wanted bin Laden dead but never devoted sufficient resources to allow it to happen. The fact that this was an operation which was beginning to be planned 10 months ago is evidence enough of Obama's ownership. According Rumsfeld's chief of staff, it was a team of SEALs that carried out the operation. I might try getting basic facts right before posting obviously motivated comments.
    - ajays 15y ago
      You must be a mind-reader to know what GWB was thinking of when he made that comment? (This is not an ad-hominem attack). All we have to go by is GWB's actions and words. The actions at Tora Bora alone are a strong datapoint; but over the years, I remember reading several articles from people actively involved, claiming that insufficient resources were being tasked for hunting Bin Laden. This particular quote from his news conference fits very well with everything else that we saw was going on, hence it is very believable. There was also one Whitehouse Correspondents' Dinner, where GWB joked about looking under the sofa in the WH for Bin Laden. I myself remember asking myself (and in discussions) countless times, "why aren't we making Bin Laden priority #1, and not Saddam?". Do you remember how we hunted Saddam? Do you remember anything comparable for Bin Laden after the first couple of years? If you would like to counter this statement of GWB, you are welcome to provide evidence (news articles, etc.) to buttress your claim. All I know is: I was frustrated with us not putting sufficient resources into tracking OBL, and when Obama forcefully said that we'd be making him enemy #1 again, I was delighted.
      - jamesbritt 15y ago
        If you would like to counter this statement of GWB, you are welcome to provide evidence (news articles, etc.) to buttress your claim. My point was that "news articles, etc.", as well as 3rd-hand accounts and hearsay, are likely insufficient to determine just what the CIA is up to. But maybe Wikileaks has something.
- ugh 15y ago
  Looks like classic police/intelligence work, not work of the military. Which plan, by the way?
- pnathan 15y ago
  It is to Obama that you should give prime responsibility, even if the strategy and tactics are by others. Consider this: a retired military friend was telling old Army stories. A sergeant lost a full-auto weapon, which is a gross violation of Army policy. This led to his chain of command up to the Colonel being court-martialed, and the General was formally reprimanded. It was their responsibility to ensure that their subordinates performed correctly. The same applies to Obama. Even if you disagree with what he did - upon his shoulders is the responsibility. The buck stops with the President. Always.
  - harold 15y ago
    I agree. He is the commander in chief of the US military.
- Pinckney 15y ago
  While I agree with you--the Military and intelligence agencies should get full credit--this will nevertheless boost his approval ratings.
  - sigzero 15y ago
    Approval rating are finicky. I bet they don't last for long if they do go up much.
- originalgeek 15y ago
  Seems like he screwed up royally then, seeing how the previous president's plan was to make sure the son of his business associates stayed alive.
- mturmon 15y ago
  Until we know more about how this came about, it does not make sense to assign credit to anyone yet.
harold 15y ago
I'm sure Winston Churchill thought that too, in 1945, after showing tremendous leadership in WWII. But he lost re-election in a landslide. Voters are fickle, and often vote for what they want in the future, not to reward past achievement. $6.00/gallon gas and high unemployment will likely have a bigger affect on Obama's chances.

Obama just won re-election, if this is true..assuming if he can get gas prices down..

by shareme 15y ago

Obama just won re-election, if this is true..assuming if he can get gas prices down..

Why? He was only following the plan laid down by the previous President. Nobody in their right mind should credit this to Obama. The US Military should get the full credit. They are the minds and planning behind what happened not any President.

Rariel 15y ago
"Nobody in their right mind should credit this to Obama." Why not? He gets the blame for the last administration's screw ups so why shouldn't he take the glory of finding bin laden? (Not that I agree the last admin did anything to help find Osama). Additionally, he's the commander in chief of the military--so the head of the military shouldn't get credit?
ajays 15y ago
At a tactical level, you are correct: the credit goes to the US military. But you have to give credit to Obama too. Bush had his eyes focused on Iraq, and let BinLaden escape a few times. I still vividly remember, at some press conference a couple of years after 9/11, Bush was asked: what about Bin Laden? He callously replied, "I don't worry about Bin Laden. I don't care about him." So, if Obama had continued Bush's policy, we would not have got Bin Laden. Obama changed the policy and made Bin Laden priority #1 again, and you have the results today.
- jamesbritt 15y ago
  Obama changed the policy and made Bin Laden priority #1 again, and you have the results today. And you know this because of a comment most likely made to avoid giving bin Laden more public attention or further elevating his importance? Regardless of what one thinks of George W. I have a hard time believing he didn't want bin Laden dead or captured any less than anyone else in the USA, and these kinds of public statements are no way to divine what the CIA has been sent out to do.
  - Synthetase 15y ago
    The proof is in the pudding. GWB may have wanted bin Laden dead but never devoted sufficient resources to allow it to happen. The fact that this was an operation which was beginning to be planned 10 months ago is evidence enough of Obama's ownership. According Rumsfeld's chief of staff, it was a team of SEALs that carried out the operation. I might try getting basic facts right before posting obviously motivated comments.
  - ajays 15y ago
    You must be a mind-reader to know what GWB was thinking of when he made that comment? (This is not an ad-hominem attack). All we have to go by is GWB's actions and words. The actions at Tora Bora alone are a strong datapoint; but over the years, I remember reading several articles from people actively involved, claiming that insufficient resources were being tasked for hunting Bin Laden. This particular quote from his news conference fits very well with everything else that we saw was going on, hence it is very believable. There was also one Whitehouse Correspondents' Dinner, where GWB joked about looking under the sofa in the WH for Bin Laden. I myself remember asking myself (and in discussions) countless times, "why aren't we making Bin Laden priority #1, and not Saddam?". Do you remember how we hunted Saddam? Do you remember anything comparable for Bin Laden after the first couple of years? If you would like to counter this statement of GWB, you are welcome to provide evidence (news articles, etc.) to buttress your claim. All I know is: I was frustrated with us not putting sufficient resources into tracking OBL, and when Obama forcefully said that we'd be making him enemy #1 again, I was delighted.
    - jamesbritt 15y ago
      If you would like to counter this statement of GWB, you are welcome to provide evidence (news articles, etc.) to buttress your claim. My point was that "news articles, etc.", as well as 3rd-hand accounts and hearsay, are likely insufficient to determine just what the CIA is up to. But maybe Wikileaks has something.
ugh 15y ago
Looks like classic police/intelligence work, not work of the military. Which plan, by the way?
pnathan 15y ago
It is to Obama that you should give prime responsibility, even if the strategy and tactics are by others. Consider this: a retired military friend was telling old Army stories. A sergeant lost a full-auto weapon, which is a gross violation of Army policy. This led to his chain of command up to the Colonel being court-martialed, and the General was formally reprimanded. It was their responsibility to ensure that their subordinates performed correctly. The same applies to Obama. Even if you disagree with what he did - upon his shoulders is the responsibility. The buck stops with the President. Always.
- harold 15y ago
  I agree. He is the commander in chief of the US military.
Pinckney 15y ago
While I agree with you--the Military and intelligence agencies should get full credit--this will nevertheless boost his approval ratings.
- sigzero 15y ago
  Approval rating are finicky. I bet they don't last for long if they do go up much.
originalgeek 15y ago
Seems like he screwed up royally then, seeing how the previous president's plan was to make sure the son of his business associates stayed alive.
mturmon 15y ago
Until we know more about how this came about, it does not make sense to assign credit to anyone yet.

harold 15y ago

I'm sure Winston Churchill thought that too, in 1945, after showing tremendous leadership in WWII. But he lost re-election in a landslide. Voters are fickle, and often vote for what they want in the future, not to reward past achievement. $6.00/gallon gas and high unemployment will likely have a bigger affect on Obama's chances.