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I mean, if your argument is that we have uninformed people in America, I certainly won't disagree. That's different from the argument that "Americans don't und

I mean, if your argument is that we have uninformed people in America, I certainly won't disagree. That's different from the argument that "Americans don't understand civics because they watch movies instead of reading history books" which is frankly absurd and offensive. I'm not convinced that the number of civically-uninformed people is particularly higher in America when compared to elsewhere in the world. If you have data to that effect, please share it. For all intents and purposes the election is done. The votes have been cast and with most of them counted, Biden has won by a wide enough margin that sporadic concerns about voter fraud is not going to change it. Americans who are pushing back against Trump's reticence to concede are not doing so not because they believe that TV decides who is elected, but because it's a bald-faced attempt at a coup. Trump has every right to challenge the results in court, but if there was actual evidence of widespread election irregularities, it would have been presented by now.

finikytou 6y ago
"I'm not convinced that the number of civically-uninformed people is particularly higher in America " I am convinced it is the case and it is because you guys totally eliminated debate from the public landscape and even more the media landscape. I was watching US election at the same time on a french channel vs an US channel. I was pretty sure the level of understanding and debate would be higher on the US channel (and I checked a few of them) but was astonished to see that actually there wasn't any real concrete and intelligent political analysis (ok just one on numbers using stats) or even one ounce of debate while on the french channel the debate invited experts, was intelligent, one side was conceiding things to trump and the others one fighting it using arguments rather than emotions. It is just mindblowing as an outsider to see that you totally removed debate from the equation and that any kind of debate/analysis is perceived as criticism or even worse racism/[add any bad word there] if it concedes things to trump.
- nkohari 6y ago
  Let me get this straight: you're saying that Americans are too reliant on television for information, and to support your analysis you're watching cable news? We can both agree that there should be more healthy debate, both in general and in the media. So far though your argument has been that Americans are less civically-minded, and your supporting evidence has been a few people you talked to who mentioned movies and watching American infotainment television. This isn't a particularly useful or interesting conversation for me at this point, so I'm going to go back to work. Thanks!

finikytou 6y ago

"I'm not convinced that the number of civically-uninformed people is particularly higher in America " I am convinced it is the case and it is because you guys totally eliminated debate from the public landscape and even more the media landscape. I was watching US election at the same time on a french channel vs an US channel. I was pretty sure the level of understanding and debate would be higher on the US channel (and I checked a few of them) but was astonished to see that actually there wasn't any real concrete and intelligent political analysis (ok just one on numbers using stats) or even one ounce of debate while on the french channel the debate invited experts, was intelligent, one side was conceiding things to trump and the others one fighting it using arguments rather than emotions. It is just mindblowing as an outsider to see that you totally removed debate from the equation and that any kind of debate/analysis is perceived as criticism or even worse racism/[add any bad word there] if it concedes things to trump.

nkohari 6y ago
Let me get this straight: you're saying that Americans are too reliant on television for information, and to support your analysis you're watching cable news? We can both agree that there should be more healthy debate, both in general and in the media. So far though your argument has been that Americans are less civically-minded, and your supporting evidence has been a few people you talked to who mentioned movies and watching American infotainment television. This isn't a particularly useful or interesting conversation for me at this point, so I'm going to go back to work. Thanks!