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> Vegans try --when possible-- not to cause pain on others, or reduce it as much as possible. It is worth making clear, however, that not all vegans share thes

> Vegans try --when possible-- not to cause pain on others, or reduce it as much as possible. It is worth making clear, however, that not all vegans share these ethical concerns. Other vegans may have adopted the diet for health reasons (China Study or similar) and do not believe that livestock raising and slaughter is unethical.

cies 6y ago
Nope. In the definition as is very well agreed upon, vegans are against the commodification of animals and do not use/consume animal (derived) products when not needed. This goes beyond diet (hence veganism setting itself apart from vegetarianism which is only a diet). What you name are people following a plant based diet. Vegan follow pretty much a plant based diet. But other do as well for other reasons that "the vegan reason".
- Mediterraneo10 6y ago
  > In the definition as is very well agreed upon, No, the definition that is "very well agreed upon" is purely the lack of animal products in the food. The logo on supermarket products that denotes the product as "good for vegans" is based purely on that lack of animal products, not on any ethical beliefs beyond that. Also, even among those who would call themselves vegan for ethical reasons and so do not eat animals or dairy products, there are a considerable amount of people without qualms about using animal products in other spheres of life than food. You seem to be trying to do gatekeeping about what a "real vegan" is and cut out those who don’t share your purist animal-rights obsession. That is obnoxious. > (hence veganism setting itself apart from vegetarianism which is only a diet). Veganism has set itself apart from vegetarianism because in common parlance the latter term covers diets that allow milk products.
  - cies 6y ago
    > No, the definition that is "very well agreed upon" That's what you say. I'm a vegan for 7+ years and know many. One thing so great about veganism is that the mission/definition is very clear. Pls see Wikipedia, or one of the many introductions on YT. > The logo on supermarket products that denotes the product as "good for vegans" is based purely on that lack of animal products, not on any ethical beliefs beyond that. Supermarkt product dont hold ethical beliefs. They may fit with certain beliefs though. That's what's indicated with "suitable for vegetarians/vegans". They could be more "correct" or cater for a wider public by saying: "fits with a plant based diet". Plant based is the word for the diet component of veganism. > there are a considerable amount of people without qualms about using animal products in other spheres of life than food. They are not vegan according to the definition. > Veganism has set itself apart from vegetarianism because in common parlance the latter term covers diets that allow milk products. And eggs. And honey. And the fact that veganism is more than a diet, hence vegans not going to zoos and not buying wool/fur/slik/leather.

cies 6y ago

Nope. In the definition as is very well agreed upon, vegans are against the commodification of animals and do not use/consume animal (derived) products when not needed. This goes beyond diet (hence veganism setting itself apart from vegetarianism which is only a diet). What you name are people following a plant based diet. Vegan follow pretty much a plant based diet. But other do as well for other reasons that "the vegan reason".

Mediterraneo10 6y ago
> In the definition as is very well agreed upon, No, the definition that is "very well agreed upon" is purely the lack of animal products in the food. The logo on supermarket products that denotes the product as "good for vegans" is based purely on that lack of animal products, not on any ethical beliefs beyond that. Also, even among those who would call themselves vegan for ethical reasons and so do not eat animals or dairy products, there are a considerable amount of people without qualms about using animal products in other spheres of life than food. You seem to be trying to do gatekeeping about what a "real vegan" is and cut out those who don’t share your purist animal-rights obsession. That is obnoxious. > (hence veganism setting itself apart from vegetarianism which is only a diet). Veganism has set itself apart from vegetarianism because in common parlance the latter term covers diets that allow milk products.
- cies 6y ago
  > No, the definition that is "very well agreed upon" That's what you say. I'm a vegan for 7+ years and know many. One thing so great about veganism is that the mission/definition is very clear. Pls see Wikipedia, or one of the many introductions on YT. > The logo on supermarket products that denotes the product as "good for vegans" is based purely on that lack of animal products, not on any ethical beliefs beyond that. Supermarkt product dont hold ethical beliefs. They may fit with certain beliefs though. That's what's indicated with "suitable for vegetarians/vegans". They could be more "correct" or cater for a wider public by saying: "fits with a plant based diet". Plant based is the word for the diet component of veganism. > there are a considerable amount of people without qualms about using animal products in other spheres of life than food. They are not vegan according to the definition. > Veganism has set itself apart from vegetarianism because in common parlance the latter term covers diets that allow milk products. And eggs. And honey. And the fact that veganism is more than a diet, hence vegans not going to zoos and not buying wool/fur/slik/leather.