It’s super subjective. For me 8 is. I can still talk at moment. But if it goes on more than a few hours I will jump off a cliff to end suffering. I stayed awa

It’s super subjective. For me 8 is. I can still talk at moment. But if it goes on more than a few hours I will jump off a cliff to end suffering. I stayed away from the really strong pain killers. But man it was hard. I did not want end up with an addiction on top of everything else.