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I don’t know how past instances of fraud are relevant. This election had an immensely high percentage of mail in votes. By definition it is not like past electi

I don’t know how past instances of fraud are relevant. This election had an immensely high percentage of mail in votes. By definition it is not like past elections. Also, finding errors has already overturned numerous representative races. This is a factual thing. It’s not Donald Trump throwing a fit. The people saying there are no legitimate issues to investigate are delusional and it’s dangerous for democracy.

dwaltrip 6y ago
> Also, finding errors has already overturned numerous representative races. This is a factual thing. It’s not Donald Trump throwing a fit. Source?
- ceilingcorner 6y ago
  https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/oakland/2020/11/06/oakland-county-election-2020-race-results/6184186002/ https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/oakland/2020...
  - bena 6y ago
    Just in case you aren't aware, "one" isn't typically contained within the definition of "numerous". And, that's not a story detailing fraud. A Republican put in the results incorrectly, a Democrat noticed the error, and it was corrected, changing the results of a local election from a Democrat winning to a Republican winning. If the Democrats were really looking to perpetuate fraud, they could have just turned a blind eye to the error. But they didn't. Because this is America, and here, right matters.
jcranmer 6y ago
> I don’t know how past instances of fraud are relevant. This election had an immensely high percentage of mail in votes. And as I mentioned, historical fraud rates for mail-in votes is on the order of 1 in 10s of millions. This includes states that conduct their entire election by mail, e.g., Oregon. > Also, finding errors has already overturned numerous representative races. This is a factual thing. It’s not Donald Trump throwing a fit. Which ones? You're saying it so authoritatively, you should be be able to provide a precise, verifiable list to back up your claims.
- ceilingcorner 6y ago
  It’s not my job to google for you. This is easily findable online. One such example: https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/oakland/2020/11/06/oakland-county-election-2020-race-results/6184186002/ https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/oakland/2020...
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  - acdha 6y ago
    That’s one local race with a tiny margin and reading the story shows no hint of malice and that the system worked: “A Republican city clerk supervised a vote count that wrongly gave victory to a Democrat, after which a Democratic county clerk's staff caught the error and requested a correction from the Republican city clerk, handing the win to a Republican.” This kind of thing happens every election and it’s rare that it has even this much impact at the local level. It’s never been anywhere near the level of impacting a lead like Biden has in multiple states. Trump needs to invalidate a city’s worth of people in PA AND tens of thousands of AZ, GA, and NV votes to win. There’s not even the slightest evidence of fraud on that scale and the stuff they’re doing trying to invalidate military ballots might get them into triple digits but they need 5-6 digit changes. Edit: here’s a great example - they’re litigating in Maricopa county over at most a couple hundred votes, and there’s no expectation that all of them will go their way. Trump is behind by 14k votes in Arizona so even if they got a total win they’d need to do this many dozens of times. https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2020/11/09/arizona-election-results-maricopa-county-challenge-involves-180-ballots/6229767002/ https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2020/1...

dwaltrip 6y ago

> Also, finding errors has already overturned numerous representative races. This is a factual thing. It’s not Donald Trump throwing a fit. Source?

ceilingcorner 6y ago
https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/oakland/2020/11/06/oakland-county-election-2020-race-results/6184186002/ https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/oakland/2020...
- bena 6y ago
  Just in case you aren't aware, "one" isn't typically contained within the definition of "numerous". And, that's not a story detailing fraud. A Republican put in the results incorrectly, a Democrat noticed the error, and it was corrected, changing the results of a local election from a Democrat winning to a Republican winning. If the Democrats were really looking to perpetuate fraud, they could have just turned a blind eye to the error. But they didn't. Because this is America, and here, right matters.

jcranmer 6y ago

> I don’t know how past instances of fraud are relevant. This election had an immensely high percentage of mail in votes. And as I mentioned, historical fraud rates for mail-in votes is on the order of 1 in 10s of millions. This includes states that conduct their entire election by mail, e.g., Oregon. > Also, finding errors has already overturned numerous representative races. This is a factual thing. It’s not Donald Trump throwing a fit. Which ones? You're saying it so authoritatively, you should be be able to provide a precise, verifiable list to back up your claims.

ceilingcorner 6y ago
It’s not my job to google for you. This is easily findable online. One such example: https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/oakland/2020/11/06/oakland-county-election-2020-race-results/6184186002/ https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/oakland/2020...
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- acdha 6y ago
  That’s one local race with a tiny margin and reading the story shows no hint of malice and that the system worked: “A Republican city clerk supervised a vote count that wrongly gave victory to a Democrat, after which a Democratic county clerk's staff caught the error and requested a correction from the Republican city clerk, handing the win to a Republican.” This kind of thing happens every election and it’s rare that it has even this much impact at the local level. It’s never been anywhere near the level of impacting a lead like Biden has in multiple states. Trump needs to invalidate a city’s worth of people in PA AND tens of thousands of AZ, GA, and NV votes to win. There’s not even the slightest evidence of fraud on that scale and the stuff they’re doing trying to invalidate military ballots might get them into triple digits but they need 5-6 digit changes. Edit: here’s a great example - they’re litigating in Maricopa county over at most a couple hundred votes, and there’s no expectation that all of them will go their way. Trump is behind by 14k votes in Arizona so even if they got a total win they’d need to do this many dozens of times. https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2020/11/09/arizona-election-results-maricopa-county-challenge-involves-180-ballots/6229767002/ https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2020/1...