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Layman hypothesis: anxious person gets Covid, goes to her doctor 3 months after because she thinks she is experiencing long term effects, and gets diagnosed for

by hcks 6y ago

Layman hypothesis: anxious person gets Covid, goes to her doctor 3 months after because she thinks she is experiencing long term effects, and gets diagnosed for her anxiety instead

treeman79 6y ago
look at various health forums. Autoimmune in particular. This is such a common pattern. People are dismissed for years before getting proper treatment. Some conditions the time to diagnosis is seven years. Entire time people are being told it’s in their head.
- bawolff 6y ago
  And some people really do have anxiety (And just because its "all in your head" doesn't make it any less "real"). In particular, I think its pretty reasonable to assume the pandemic and other ongoing issues of 2020, will cause severe anxiety issues in a bunch of the population. Its been a hell of a year.
  - treeman79 6y ago
    This is a good point. There is a feedback loop to anxiety and stress and illness. Some illnesses cause minor problems for decades, but you remain mostly fine. Add in a huge dose of stress hormones, and that minor condition can go crazy. You now have more things to stress about. Inflammation can cause inflammation. Sometimes breaking the cycle is enough.
  - notabee 6y ago
    The brain is just another organ, and also vulnerable to inflammation and immune effects. And it can in turn cause or worsen them too in the rest of the body. Medicine truly must stop making psychiatric diagnoses without looking for systemic causes, and vice versa. And I think good doctors understand this. However, like any profession, there are plenty of not so good doctors who lazily throw people away with vague anxiety or pain syndrome diagnoses.
neuronic 6y ago
If you don't show red flares and alarming data in any known scans your symptoms will always be reduced to "anxiety". It's a cop out for doctors, I'd say at least 2/3 of the time. Interestingly enough, previous viral infections are really often at the foundation of these issues. Post-viral syndrome isn't limited to COVID.
- PaulKeeble 6y ago
  Covid-19 seems to produce very high numbers of Post viral sufferers, but its definitely not unique to this virus. SARS was worse at this point in that epidemic outbreak but only by about 20%. Those SARS studies are a good indicator for the sort of percentages of disabled we can expect from Covid-19.

by hcks 6y ago

Layman hypothesis: anxious person gets Covid, goes to her doctor 3 months after because she thinks she is experiencing long term effects, and gets diagnosed for her anxiety instead

treeman79 6y ago

look at various health forums. Autoimmune in particular. This is such a common pattern. People are dismissed for years before getting proper treatment. Some conditions the time to diagnosis is seven years. Entire time people are being told it’s in their head.

bawolff 6y ago
And some people really do have anxiety (And just because its "all in your head" doesn't make it any less "real"). In particular, I think its pretty reasonable to assume the pandemic and other ongoing issues of 2020, will cause severe anxiety issues in a bunch of the population. Its been a hell of a year.
- treeman79 6y ago
  This is a good point. There is a feedback loop to anxiety and stress and illness. Some illnesses cause minor problems for decades, but you remain mostly fine. Add in a huge dose of stress hormones, and that minor condition can go crazy. You now have more things to stress about. Inflammation can cause inflammation. Sometimes breaking the cycle is enough.
- notabee 6y ago
  The brain is just another organ, and also vulnerable to inflammation and immune effects. And it can in turn cause or worsen them too in the rest of the body. Medicine truly must stop making psychiatric diagnoses without looking for systemic causes, and vice versa. And I think good doctors understand this. However, like any profession, there are plenty of not so good doctors who lazily throw people away with vague anxiety or pain syndrome diagnoses.

neuronic 6y ago

If you don't show red flares and alarming data in any known scans your symptoms will always be reduced to "anxiety". It's a cop out for doctors, I'd say at least 2/3 of the time. Interestingly enough, previous viral infections are really often at the foundation of these issues. Post-viral syndrome isn't limited to COVID.

PaulKeeble 6y ago
Covid-19 seems to produce very high numbers of Post viral sufferers, but its definitely not unique to this virus. SARS was worse at this point in that epidemic outbreak but only by about 20%. Those SARS studies are a good indicator for the sort of percentages of disabled we can expect from Covid-19.