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• jvanderbot 6y ago
  Unfortunately, the positives are customer adoption, and customers have already adopted zoom. This is like continuing to feed the dog treats because it's what you're used to, regardless of the outcome of their actions. But more generally, it's not obvious that individual, "reptile-brain" incentives translate to large company leadership. I'd be hugely skeptical of applying positive psychology to international corporate leadership, but what do I know anyway.
  • unityByFreedom 6y ago
    Agree with your first paragraph, less so the second. People learn corporate leadership in steps, starting with a small group. The style of successful leadership doesn't change IMO, just the number of variables and possibility for greater success/failure.
• airstrike 6y ago
  Well, corporations aren't humans, contrary to what some might try to argue.
  • ineedasername 6y ago
    "Corporations are people my friend" --Mitt Romney [0] So we should all remember that Zoom is probably depressed right now and could probably use some support from its friends. Maybe urge GCal to send it a nice note. [0] https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2011/08/11/139551684/romneys-corporations-are-people-getting-lots-of-mileage https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2011/08/11/13955...
  • Mary-Jane 6y ago
    True enough. But they are comprised entirely of people. To change their behavior you must appeal to thepeople running them.
    • dhimes 6y ago
      My gripe is the companies who failed to implement because they couldn't do security in a way that was easy to use and resulted in a good user experience, but chose to be honest. I hate the (1) cheat to win and vanquish your competitors (2) when you're caught, say you're sorry, (3) win anyway because your competitors are gone progression. It seems like the penalty for that should be existential or at least something painfully severe.
      • sirspacey 6y ago
        Sincerely curious - what competitors do you believe were harmed here?
        • dhimes 6y ago
          That's the point. It's the companies that are little known that get squashed. I don't know much about the space, but I tried Google and chose zoom instead because it was easier— and I pay for Google. I tried Jitsi. But what about the ones we haven't heard of, struggling to solve the problem that Zoom lied about solving, but because they're honest they never took that step forward. It's like RealPlayer. By the time the courts catch up, the game is over. Several people are on zoom instead of Google, for instance, even though I pay for Google. I don't know the other players in the space.
          • dhimes 6y ago
            Too late to edit the above, but ignore the last sentence. It was written first, and when I rewrote the comment I somehow forgot to delete.
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• ineedasername 6y ago
  Actually intermittent reinforcement is much more effective. If it's offered every time, then when it is not offered it is less likely to trigger the desired behavior. Operant conditioning using intermittent reinforcement trains to not expect the reinforcement mechanism every time, so when it doesn't come, the desired behavior is still displayed: https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/psychology/intermittent-reinforcement https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/psychology/intermittent...
• darkerside 6y ago
  Wouldn't fees be considered negative punishment?