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That doesn’t mean they don’t have a massive potential market. All the centre right people who see Twitter banning people for questioning unlimited immigration,

by zpeti 6y ago

That doesn’t mean they don’t have a massive potential market. All the centre right people who see Twitter banning people for questioning unlimited immigration, or trans men competing against women in sport, and feel like current social media companies aren’t for them. I think in this election Twitter definitely, but also Facebook have taken sides. There are a lot of normal, decent right wing people out there, despite the rhetoric of the left, who also wouldn’t mind a social media platform.

danpalmer 6y ago
My point is that I think those people will end up realising that they need some form of moderation that will likely conflict with the core premise of the platform.
- eznzt 6y ago
  Moderation is not binary... There's a hell of a difference between banning misgendering and banning someone who spends all day sending unsolicited replies or shock images.
  - danpalmer 6y ago
    I'm not going to comment on this example, as we may disagree, but I think that there's more than unsolicited replies and shock images that will happen here, there will be significant rallying against certain groups, and members of those groups will feel unsafe around that. The problem for Parler is that many of their target market (the right) are in fact in one of these groups. Women, ethnic minorities, the rich, the poor, veterans, the less abled, conservative voters, libertarian voters, the list goes on and more examples will arrive. Building a platform on being a safe space for division and exclusion can't succeed because that same force will make it an unsafe space for all but the small niche that win the territory. We've already seen hints of women on the conservative right having a problem with misogyny from others in the community...
    - corey_moncure 6y ago
      Can you expound on the difference between “safe space” and “unsafe space”? I don’t think I understand what these words mean.
demosthenes14 6y ago
Do you have sources for people being banned for those reasons? I have not heard of these cases
- thu2111 6y ago
  It's not exactly the same but this article talks about a gay guy being banned for (supposedly) pointing out that there are very non-binary people in the world, and objecting to the idea that language should be changed to accomodate them: https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/megan-fox/2019/10/19/twitter-bans-gay-man-for-telling-inconvenient-truths-about-transgender-people-n69808 https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/megan-fox/2019/10/19/t... The article quotes some of his tweets on the topic.
  - pjc50 6y ago
    Are we absolutely sure that's what he was banned for? Twitter makes it very unclear, there isn't a "[user was banned for posting this tweet]" report. Given their failure to ban glinner for far worse stuff I suspect there's something else going on.
    - zlynx 6y ago
      Now that is something I wish all the social media platforms would enforce on their moderator staff. Every ban should be accompanied with at least one sentence of explanation, a quote from the relevant law or ToS, and the text or image (with a nice red circle if required) in question. If the content was illegal then a summary instead. It should be a choice to view it, as public as the posting itself, and subject to comments also. As best I can tell, Facebook bans are done by monkeys hitting buttons randomly to get through their queue as quickly as possible. I don't think Twitter is much better.
    - inglor_cz 6y ago
      This vague arbitrariness is another problem. "We just dropped a hammer on you, bye." This drives people to paranoia.
pjc50 6y ago
> questioning unlimited immigration There is no unlimited immigration. Even European Free Movement has limits, albeit rarely relevant or enforced. This contributes to a ratchet of delusion where the laws are made more and more onerous on immigrants while people complain that it's "unlimited".

by zpeti 6y ago

danpalmer 6y ago

My point is that I think those people will end up realising that they need some form of moderation that will likely conflict with the core premise of the platform.

eznzt 6y ago
Moderation is not binary... There's a hell of a difference between banning misgendering and banning someone who spends all day sending unsolicited replies or shock images.
- danpalmer 6y ago
  I'm not going to comment on this example, as we may disagree, but I think that there's more than unsolicited replies and shock images that will happen here, there will be significant rallying against certain groups, and members of those groups will feel unsafe around that. The problem for Parler is that many of their target market (the right) are in fact in one of these groups. Women, ethnic minorities, the rich, the poor, veterans, the less abled, conservative voters, libertarian voters, the list goes on and more examples will arrive. Building a platform on being a safe space for division and exclusion can't succeed because that same force will make it an unsafe space for all but the small niche that win the territory. We've already seen hints of women on the conservative right having a problem with misogyny from others in the community...
  - corey_moncure 6y ago
    Can you expound on the difference between “safe space” and “unsafe space”? I don’t think I understand what these words mean.

demosthenes14 6y ago

Do you have sources for people being banned for those reasons? I have not heard of these cases

thu2111 6y ago
It's not exactly the same but this article talks about a gay guy being banned for (supposedly) pointing out that there are very non-binary people in the world, and objecting to the idea that language should be changed to accomodate them: https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/megan-fox/2019/10/19/twitter-bans-gay-man-for-telling-inconvenient-truths-about-transgender-people-n69808 https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/megan-fox/2019/10/19/t... The article quotes some of his tweets on the topic.
- pjc50 6y ago
  Are we absolutely sure that's what he was banned for? Twitter makes it very unclear, there isn't a "[user was banned for posting this tweet]" report. Given their failure to ban glinner for far worse stuff I suspect there's something else going on.
  - zlynx 6y ago
    Now that is something I wish all the social media platforms would enforce on their moderator staff. Every ban should be accompanied with at least one sentence of explanation, a quote from the relevant law or ToS, and the text or image (with a nice red circle if required) in question. If the content was illegal then a summary instead. It should be a choice to view it, as public as the posting itself, and subject to comments also. As best I can tell, Facebook bans are done by monkeys hitting buttons randomly to get through their queue as quickly as possible. I don't think Twitter is much better.
  - inglor_cz 6y ago
    This vague arbitrariness is another problem. "We just dropped a hammer on you, bye." This drives people to paranoia.

pjc50 6y ago

> questioning unlimited immigration There is no unlimited immigration. Even European Free Movement has limits, albeit rarely relevant or enforced. This contributes to a ratchet of delusion where the laws are made more and more onerous on immigrants while people complain that it's "unlimited".