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Indeed. For bad news, e.g. crime, the (German) media takes great care to mention whether suspects or convicts are immigrants or of direct immigrant descent. Att

Indeed. For bad news, e.g. crime, the (German) media takes great care to mention whether suspects or convicts are immigrants or of direct immigrant descent. Attaching this information to good news is done less frequently but would be required to paint a more realistic picture.

arethuza 6y ago
Fear of Turkey joining the EU was a significant factor in the Brexit campaign: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/dominic-cummings-how-the-brexit-referendum-was-won https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/dominic-cummings-how-the...
- agustif 6y ago
  And now with Turkey vs France thingy, it seems pretty unreasonable to think that turkey would really join right? Don't member states have veto powers?
  - arethuza 6y ago
    "Turkey has been moving further away from the European Union. Turkey’s accession negotiations have therefore effectively come to a standstill and no further chapters can be considered for opening or closing and no further work towards the modernisation of the EU-Turkey Customs Union is foreseen." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Turkey_to_the_European_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Turkey_to_the_Eur...
davrosthedalek 6y ago
That is news to me. German police and media normally go to great length not to mention names/personal information of suspects (and victims), a crass difference to the US.
- mschuster91 6y ago
  Until 2017 this actually was a rule (not a legally binding, just the "honor code") for media, but this got changed after the AfD and other Nazis whined for years that police and media would not "tell the truth" about migrant crimes, "suppress" or "hide" them (https://www.migazin.de/2017/03/24/presserat-aendert-richtlinie-zur-herkunftsnennung-bei-taetern/ https://www.migazin.de/2017/03/24/presserat-aendert-richtlin...). A very sad day for our society.
  - davrosthedalek 6y ago
    Indeed. Every time the AfD is mentioned, I have to remember this: https://politicalbeauty.de/mahnmal.html https://politicalbeauty.de/mahnmal.html, and it makes it a little bit better.
  - choko 6y ago
    Are you saying that facts should be suppressed because someone might use them the wrong way? Serious question.
    - davrosthedalek 6y ago
      Well, your personal information are facts too. Would you like them posted? As long as the crimes are only alleged, not proven, there is no question to me that the interest of the people at large is second to the privacy protection of the suspects.
    - mschuster91 6y ago
      Journalism should report the relevant facts to a case. And the nationality/ethnicity/skin color rarely is a relevant fact in a criminal case, with the notable exception of racist-motivated or ethnic conflict (e.g. Kurds vs Turks) crimes. For "everyday" crimes, think of pub brawls, petty theft, robberies, sexual misconduct of all forms, the ethnicity is absolutely irrelevant and its mention by police/media is only likely to further racial hatred.
    - scotty79 6y ago
      Would you like to also know if a perpetrator was left-handed or ginger or blood type A? No. Because that doesn't matter. Just as ethnicity doesn't matter. Criminal is a criminal.
- _trampeltier 6y ago
  Not personal information, but country of birth or nationality.
  - davrosthedalek 6y ago
    Which is personal information. But I don't think they write it that often. The reverse has become a meme on right-wing forums: "tHeY dOn'T SaY tHere[sic] NAme so We NOw[sic] wHich RaCE iT Is".

arethuza 6y ago

Fear of Turkey joining the EU was a significant factor in the Brexit campaign: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/dominic-cummings-how-the-brexit-referendum-was-won https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/dominic-cummings-how-the...

agustif 6y ago
And now with Turkey vs France thingy, it seems pretty unreasonable to think that turkey would really join right? Don't member states have veto powers?
- arethuza 6y ago
  "Turkey has been moving further away from the European Union. Turkey’s accession negotiations have therefore effectively come to a standstill and no further chapters can be considered for opening or closing and no further work towards the modernisation of the EU-Turkey Customs Union is foreseen." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Turkey_to_the_European_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Turkey_to_the_Eur...

davrosthedalek 6y ago

That is news to me. German police and media normally go to great length not to mention names/personal information of suspects (and victims), a crass difference to the US.

mschuster91 6y ago
Until 2017 this actually was a rule (not a legally binding, just the "honor code") for media, but this got changed after the AfD and other Nazis whined for years that police and media would not "tell the truth" about migrant crimes, "suppress" or "hide" them (https://www.migazin.de/2017/03/24/presserat-aendert-richtlinie-zur-herkunftsnennung-bei-taetern/ https://www.migazin.de/2017/03/24/presserat-aendert-richtlin...). A very sad day for our society.
- davrosthedalek 6y ago
  Indeed. Every time the AfD is mentioned, I have to remember this: https://politicalbeauty.de/mahnmal.html https://politicalbeauty.de/mahnmal.html, and it makes it a little bit better.
- choko 6y ago
  Are you saying that facts should be suppressed because someone might use them the wrong way? Serious question.
  - davrosthedalek 6y ago
    Well, your personal information are facts too. Would you like them posted? As long as the crimes are only alleged, not proven, there is no question to me that the interest of the people at large is second to the privacy protection of the suspects.
  - mschuster91 6y ago
    Journalism should report the relevant facts to a case. And the nationality/ethnicity/skin color rarely is a relevant fact in a criminal case, with the notable exception of racist-motivated or ethnic conflict (e.g. Kurds vs Turks) crimes. For "everyday" crimes, think of pub brawls, petty theft, robberies, sexual misconduct of all forms, the ethnicity is absolutely irrelevant and its mention by police/media is only likely to further racial hatred.
  - scotty79 6y ago
    Would you like to also know if a perpetrator was left-handed or ginger or blood type A? No. Because that doesn't matter. Just as ethnicity doesn't matter. Criminal is a criminal.
_trampeltier 6y ago
Not personal information, but country of birth or nationality.
- davrosthedalek 6y ago
  Which is personal information. But I don't think they write it that often. The reverse has become a meme on right-wing forums: "tHeY dOn'T SaY tHere[sic] NAme so We NOw[sic] wHich RaCE iT Is".