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I’ve watched kosher and halal slaughter and honestly don’t see what the big deal is. Have you ever seen an animal hunted with a bow or a rifle? Is it really so

I’ve watched kosher and halal slaughter and honestly don’t see what the big deal is. Have you ever seen an animal hunted with a bow or a rifle? Is it really so bad that it is worth persecuting the adherents of two major world religions over?

rndgermandude 6y ago
Persecuting? That's a big stretch.
- nsxwolf 6y ago
  Forcing people to either violate their beliefs or become vegetarians over some fussy, ultramodern fixation on animal rights? Seems close to persecution to me.
  - bosswipe 6y ago
    What about the beliefs of the people that see animals as fellow beings that deserve compassion and respect?
    - sokoloff 6y ago
      Those people should certainly be free to act in accordance with their beliefs, too.
  - Griffinsauce 6y ago
    Using the word "fussy" while we are talking about literally getting killed is an interesting choice of words, considering the injustice both sides get. The difference here is between beliefs on one side and physical pain and abuse on the other. You only let the beliefs take precedence when you consider humans to be above animals. This is a vicious cycle of religious dogma.
  - rndgermandude 6y ago
    I see no problem in challenging cultural/religious norms and traditions if the argument is made in good faith, and I have no reason to believe the poster was acting from a position of bad faith. We can then decide if the argument is sound and we agree with it, or disagree with it. There are plenty of such customs and norms I disagree with myself, for example the catholic ban on divorce (at least they do not excommunicate divorcees anymore; banned in the Philippines for anybody except Muslims), their ban on contraceptives in particular condoms (see: HIV), their ban of abortions ([1]) or their stance on gay rights. I think I have good reasons to disagree and that every example I listed has real world implications negatively affecting people and not just because they chose to follow Catholic norms. Do I feel I am persecuting the Catholic Church? No. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Savita_Halappanavar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Savita_Halappanavar
m463 6y ago
I think it's ok to open a mindful dialog. In general most religions are not static in their practices. I saw an amish buggy with LED tail lights that swept back and forth.
- hvidgaard 6y ago
  I don't know why, but that makes me really happy for some reason. They live a simple life with certain values they strive for. Buying LED tail lights does not in anyway interfere with that.
- nsxwolf 6y ago
  The Amish have always had this relationship with modern technology. The communities carefully consider which things to adopt based on how it will impact their way of life. It has nothing to do with their religious beliefs evolving. Even if that were the case, these are their own choices, not choices imposed on them by outsiders.
konjin 6y ago
>Is it really so bad that it is worth persecuting the adherents of two major world religions over? Yes.
samcheng 6y ago
Interestingly, when it comes to hunting, a more skilled hunter causes less suffering than an incompetent one. A shot through both lungs and heart is not a particularly difficult feat to a patient and practiced hunter, and quickly kills an animal. Maybe it's even more humane than the methods used on cattle, especially when you consider the feedlot conditions leading up to the slaughter.
Griffinsauce 6y ago
> Is it really so bad that it is worth persecuting the adherents of two major world religions over? What? How is this discussion persecution?

rndgermandude 6y ago

Persecuting? That's a big stretch.

nsxwolf 6y ago
Forcing people to either violate their beliefs or become vegetarians over some fussy, ultramodern fixation on animal rights? Seems close to persecution to me.
- bosswipe 6y ago
  What about the beliefs of the people that see animals as fellow beings that deserve compassion and respect?
  - sokoloff 6y ago
    Those people should certainly be free to act in accordance with their beliefs, too.
- Griffinsauce 6y ago
  Using the word "fussy" while we are talking about literally getting killed is an interesting choice of words, considering the injustice both sides get. The difference here is between beliefs on one side and physical pain and abuse on the other. You only let the beliefs take precedence when you consider humans to be above animals. This is a vicious cycle of religious dogma.
- rndgermandude 6y ago
  I see no problem in challenging cultural/religious norms and traditions if the argument is made in good faith, and I have no reason to believe the poster was acting from a position of bad faith. We can then decide if the argument is sound and we agree with it, or disagree with it. There are plenty of such customs and norms I disagree with myself, for example the catholic ban on divorce (at least they do not excommunicate divorcees anymore; banned in the Philippines for anybody except Muslims), their ban on contraceptives in particular condoms (see: HIV), their ban of abortions ([1]) or their stance on gay rights. I think I have good reasons to disagree and that every example I listed has real world implications negatively affecting people and not just because they chose to follow Catholic norms. Do I feel I am persecuting the Catholic Church? No. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Savita_Halappanavar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Savita_Halappanavar

m463 6y ago

I think it's ok to open a mindful dialog. In general most religions are not static in their practices. I saw an amish buggy with LED tail lights that swept back and forth.

hvidgaard 6y ago
I don't know why, but that makes me really happy for some reason. They live a simple life with certain values they strive for. Buying LED tail lights does not in anyway interfere with that.
nsxwolf 6y ago
The Amish have always had this relationship with modern technology. The communities carefully consider which things to adopt based on how it will impact their way of life. It has nothing to do with their religious beliefs evolving. Even if that were the case, these are their own choices, not choices imposed on them by outsiders.

konjin 6y ago

>Is it really so bad that it is worth persecuting the adherents of two major world religions over? Yes.

samcheng 6y ago

Interestingly, when it comes to hunting, a more skilled hunter causes less suffering than an incompetent one. A shot through both lungs and heart is not a particularly difficult feat to a patient and practiced hunter, and quickly kills an animal. Maybe it's even more humane than the methods used on cattle, especially when you consider the feedlot conditions leading up to the slaughter.

Griffinsauce 6y ago

> Is it really so bad that it is worth persecuting the adherents of two major world religions over? What? How is this discussion persecution?