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The problem with war is that if your side doesn't develop its armies, the other side will. Today, that other side is China. For all the faults of the United Sta

by darawk 6y ago

The problem with war is that if your side doesn't develop its armies, the other side will. Today, that other side is China. For all the faults of the United States, of which there are many, i'd prefer it any day over the Chinese politburo.

disown 6y ago
That's funny cause it was the "chinese politburo" that liberated the chinese from the united states which invaded and occupied it for 100 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yangtze_Patrol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yangtze_Patrol But even if you are being sincere, and usually nobody using china as a boogeyman are, we aren't using our military to defend ourselves from a nonexistent chinese invasion. We used our military to kill iraqis, syrians, libyans, vietnamese, etc. If chinese did 1/100th of what we did, hypocrites would be crying they were the most evil nation on earth. We have nukes to deal with china. We don't have armies to deal with china. They've got 1.4 billion people. Pretty much all our wars have been offensive wars of conquest/genocide/domination. But yeah, it's china that's the bad guy. Can you think of the last defensive war we've fought? Even ww2 wasn't really a defensive war as we already attacked japan with sanctions. Edit: > China is not yet strong enough to do that outright with the west like it does within Asia and its maritime claims. Within Asia? Are you saying it's china that has troops in korea, japan, etc? It isn't china that colonized philippines, indonesia, india, etc. Lets be honest here, asia isn't in need of liberation from china, it's in need of liberation from the west. Just think about it. > With the west, it has taken on a different approach: infiltrate all levels of political, educational, and corporate institutions. Is that why everyone has a good opinion of china? China has infiltrated everything, that's why we started a trade war with china? If anything, I could understand if you said israel or saudi arabia has infiltrated all levels. But certainly not china or russia. When it comes to china, all I see is projection. Everything we are accusing china of doing, we are guilty of. We are the ones who invaded and brutalized asia ( including china, india, etc ). We are ones that invaded and occupied. And as best as I can tell, it's us who are meddling in chinese affairs and telling them what they should do or not do. Edit1: > I can't name another empire or superpower in human history that has shown more restraint. Is this a joke? We wiped out an entire continent full of people. Dozens of native nations were exterminated. We dropped nukes on civilians. That's restraint? And we've been involved in wars in every corner of the earth. What amazing restraint. For those hypocrites downvoting me, try replacing US with china for every historical act. 9/11 happens and china invades afghanistan and iraq murdering hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians. I bet every hypocrite downvoting would call them monsters.
- ponker 6y ago
  China is using its money to achieve world domination in such a vastly smarter way than the US (Belt and Road initiative, controlling natural resources) that I expect my children will be learning Chinese someday the way that Chinese kids had to learn English.
  - frequentnapper 6y ago
    And discriminated against for not being Chinese regardless.
    - ponker 6y ago
      Well, I expect that China is building world domination for the benefit of the Chinese people, not the benefit of everyone who comes under their dominion, similar to the white men who built American world domination.
      - _wt8k 6y ago
        This is a false moral equivalence. The US was founded on the idea that "all men are created equal." The US has made terrible mistakes, such as not immediately banning slavery and not extending voting rights to women, and the US still has room to improve today. However, the founding ideas of the US provide a mandate and inspire people to work towards a more equal society. I would greatly prefer the US over China as the world hegemon. I am Chinese-American, so if China were to displace the US as world hegemon and put Han people at the top of society, that would personally benefit me. However, I do not want that, as I support racial equality.
        hungryhobo 6y ago
        and china is called "the people's republic", what US or China call themselves is irrelevant. I am Chinese as well, I do not think Chinese has ambition for world domination, but I believe it deserves the right to develop and enjoy a living standard similar to the west.
blackrock 6y ago
China for all of their 5000 years of existence as a civilization, has never invaded a distant country. They have never brought wars, death, destruction, slavery, genocide, and concentration camps to those distant lands. Yes, they expanded along their periphery, which is how they got to their size today. But even when they had boats, they visited as far away as Africa, and traded with them, instead of enslaving them. However, in contrast, let’s list all the countries that have enslaved foreign lands. Britain, France, Spain, Portugal, Germany, United States, Netherlands, Australia. Yes, you guessed it. All these are European countries that have brought an untold number of deaths and destruction to the lands that they visited. But of course, you are free to turn a blind eye to all their injustices that they have done in the past.
- refurb 6y ago
  China for all of their 5000 years of existence as a civilization, has never invaded a distant country. I like how you inserted "distant" in there as if it matters. Even in just recent history, China has: - Invaded Vietnam, purely for political reasons as they were stymieing China's aspirations in SE Asia, Cambodia in particular - They provided military support to North Vietnam as a way to increase their sphere of influence and offset the USSR in SE Asia - They are currently expropriating land and sea for economic purposes that although justified in their own public statements, I'm not sure even they believe
  - throwaway0a5e 6y ago
    >I like how you inserted "distant" in there as if it matters. He/she likely needed to include that as a way to ignore the Tibetan elephant in the room.
- jcranmer 6y ago
  If you're going to count the United States as having "enslaved foreign lands", you'll have to include the Chinese domination of Korea, Mongolia, Manchuria, Tibet, and the Tarim Basin at various points in history, since those are ethnically non-Chinese areas that were ruled by China at different points in history. China also established a pretty extensive tributary system in the past, requiring a variety of local states to pay tribute every few years. This is really venturing far from my knowledge of history, but I believe this system would have included much of modern central Asia (the -stans), and all of East and Southeast Asia, through much of the Indonesian islands.

by darawk 6y ago

disown 6y ago

That's funny cause it was the "chinese politburo" that liberated the chinese from the united states which invaded and occupied it for 100 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yangtze_Patrol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yangtze_Patrol But even if you are being sincere, and usually nobody using china as a boogeyman are, we aren't using our military to defend ourselves from a nonexistent chinese invasion. We used our military to kill iraqis, syrians, libyans, vietnamese, etc. If chinese did 1/100th of what we did, hypocrites would be crying they were the most evil nation on earth. We have nukes to deal with china. We don't have armies to deal with china. They've got 1.4 billion people. Pretty much all our wars have been offensive wars of conquest/genocide/domination. But yeah, it's china that's the bad guy. Can you think of the last defensive war we've fought? Even ww2 wasn't really a defensive war as we already attacked japan with sanctions. Edit: > China is not yet strong enough to do that outright with the west like it does within Asia and its maritime claims. Within Asia? Are you saying it's china that has troops in korea, japan, etc? It isn't china that colonized philippines, indonesia, india, etc. Lets be honest here, asia isn't in need of liberation from china, it's in need of liberation from the west. Just think about it. > With the west, it has taken on a different approach: infiltrate all levels of political, educational, and corporate institutions. Is that why everyone has a good opinion of china? China has infiltrated everything, that's why we started a trade war with china? If anything, I could understand if you said israel or saudi arabia has infiltrated all levels. But certainly not china or russia. When it comes to china, all I see is projection. Everything we are accusing china of doing, we are guilty of. We are the ones who invaded and brutalized asia ( including china, india, etc ). We are ones that invaded and occupied. And as best as I can tell, it's us who are meddling in chinese affairs and telling them what they should do or not do. Edit1: > I can't name another empire or superpower in human history that has shown more restraint. Is this a joke? We wiped out an entire continent full of people. Dozens of native nations were exterminated. We dropped nukes on civilians. That's restraint? And we've been involved in wars in every corner of the earth. What amazing restraint. For those hypocrites downvoting me, try replacing US with china for every historical act. 9/11 happens and china invades afghanistan and iraq murdering hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians. I bet every hypocrite downvoting would call them monsters.

ponker 6y ago
China is using its money to achieve world domination in such a vastly smarter way than the US (Belt and Road initiative, controlling natural resources) that I expect my children will be learning Chinese someday the way that Chinese kids had to learn English.
- frequentnapper 6y ago
  And discriminated against for not being Chinese regardless.
  - ponker 6y ago
    Well, I expect that China is building world domination for the benefit of the Chinese people, not the benefit of everyone who comes under their dominion, similar to the white men who built American world domination.
    - _wt8k 6y ago
      This is a false moral equivalence. The US was founded on the idea that "all men are created equal." The US has made terrible mistakes, such as not immediately banning slavery and not extending voting rights to women, and the US still has room to improve today. However, the founding ideas of the US provide a mandate and inspire people to work towards a more equal society. I would greatly prefer the US over China as the world hegemon. I am Chinese-American, so if China were to displace the US as world hegemon and put Han people at the top of society, that would personally benefit me. However, I do not want that, as I support racial equality.
      - hungryhobo 6y ago
        and china is called "the people's republic", what US or China call themselves is irrelevant. I am Chinese as well, I do not think Chinese has ambition for world domination, but I believe it deserves the right to develop and enjoy a living standard similar to the west.

blackrock 6y ago

China for all of their 5000 years of existence as a civilization, has never invaded a distant country. They have never brought wars, death, destruction, slavery, genocide, and concentration camps to those distant lands. Yes, they expanded along their periphery, which is how they got to their size today. But even when they had boats, they visited as far away as Africa, and traded with them, instead of enslaving them. However, in contrast, let’s list all the countries that have enslaved foreign lands. Britain, France, Spain, Portugal, Germany, United States, Netherlands, Australia. Yes, you guessed it. All these are European countries that have brought an untold number of deaths and destruction to the lands that they visited. But of course, you are free to turn a blind eye to all their injustices that they have done in the past.

refurb 6y ago
China for all of their 5000 years of existence as a civilization, has never invaded a distant country. I like how you inserted "distant" in there as if it matters. Even in just recent history, China has: - Invaded Vietnam, purely for political reasons as they were stymieing China's aspirations in SE Asia, Cambodia in particular - They provided military support to North Vietnam as a way to increase their sphere of influence and offset the USSR in SE Asia - They are currently expropriating land and sea for economic purposes that although justified in their own public statements, I'm not sure even they believe
- throwaway0a5e 6y ago
  >I like how you inserted "distant" in there as if it matters. He/she likely needed to include that as a way to ignore the Tibetan elephant in the room.
jcranmer 6y ago
If you're going to count the United States as having "enslaved foreign lands", you'll have to include the Chinese domination of Korea, Mongolia, Manchuria, Tibet, and the Tarim Basin at various points in history, since those are ethnically non-Chinese areas that were ruled by China at different points in history. China also established a pretty extensive tributary system in the past, requiring a variety of local states to pay tribute every few years. This is really venturing far from my knowledge of history, but I believe this system would have included much of modern central Asia (the -stans), and all of East and Southeast Asia, through much of the Indonesian islands.