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It is more the concept of wanting something you claim to not want by making a fake version of it. Just eat vegan products? It seems like a cognitive dissonance
by NewOrderNow 6y ago
It is more the concept of wanting something you claim to not want by making a fake version of it. Just eat vegan products? It seems like a cognitive dissonance when I see the words vegan and burger together.
- PretzelPirate 6y agoBut vegans want burgers, they just don’t want to kill an animal for that burger. This is no different than someone making a turkey burger because they don’t like beef. For some reason, only vegans get called out for making substitutions.
- andreilys 6y agoBut they do want to kill plants, which can feel pain and hear themselves being eaten [1] https://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/24473/20191218/a-group-of-scientists-suggest-that-plants-feel-pain.htm https://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/24473/20191218/a-group...
- hombre_fatal 6y agoWell, meat requires more plants to “suffer” than eating the plants directly. So if this was your line if reasoning, you would be a staunch vegan. The majority of crops are grown to feed livestock. People usually make your argument in bad faith because even when corrected you never had a moral interest in “minimizing plant suffering” to begin with. You just thought you had a good gotcha.
- least 6y ago> So if this was your line if reasoning, you would be a staunch vegan. Not really. A person who eats both doesn't typically agonize over the morality of eating animals or plants like many vegans do. It's pointing out the fallacy of advocating veganism on the basis of animal suffering. That of course is only one argument for veganism among many much stronger ones, but it doesn't make it a bad argument to make.
- sukilot 6y ago"Vegans" aren't who really want burgers. Newbie vegans who have been indoctrinated by a lifetime burger culture. Burgers aren't a huge deal in Asia, for example.
- donw 6y agoI strongly suspect you have never been to Japan. Massive burger culture here.
- fomine3 6y agoThere's a humburger culture but people isn't very depended so I think vegans would easily give up hamburgers.
- crooked-v 6y agoSome vegans don't want burgers, but some vegans just want an animal-free version of food experiences already familiar to them.
- NewOrderNow 6y agoWhy? What you claim is familiar is "bad" right?
- therealx 6y agoThe only "bad" burger to the op is the traditional definition that includes meat. Burger as a concept of two-breads, some toppings, and a patty (arguibly a melt?) is fine.
- crooked-v 6y agoVegans object to eating animal products, not to eating things that happen to resemble animal products.
- NewOrderNow 6y ago
- NewOrderNow 6y agoHmm, then I guess that leads to my next question: what is a burger? Is a turkey burger a burger? Is a burger ground meat? Is it simply ground protein (making a vegan burger a burger)?
- NewOrderNow 6y agoGot to love people who don't know how to communicate. I imagine these are the type of people getting jobs.
- dandare 6y agoWhat I want the most is a readily available vegan food on every corner. For instance, it is surprisingly difficult to buy anything vegan on a highway stop/petrol station where I am from. Vegan burger from MCD will mean a lot.
- astura 6y agoVegans choose to abstain from animal products, not that they "don't want them." The reasons might be environmental, ethical, moral, or religious, etc... Not important, just that a vegan or vegetarian is simply someone who did a cost-benefit analysis where, to them, the costs of meat (environmental degradation, massive suffering, personal guilt, my-god-said-so, whatever) outweigh the benefits (taste, convenience, social acceptably). That's merely it! It's not cognitive dissonance to want to enjoy some of the benefits of something without some of the costs - that's what vegan "meat" (at least attempts) to do.
- NewOrderNow 6y agoSo weak discipline? I don't get it as a person who just eats meat and veggies why you would want something you don't want? It's like creating a protein based pea that tastes exactly like a pea in every way but made with animal protein and I call it carnivore peas. What you are saying is that you are trying to reverse engineer something for hedonism's sake.
- maxerickson 6y agoThey aren't trying to reverse engineer anything, they are trying to make food they like that is not also attached to activities they find unethical. There's no contradiction or dissonance, it's "I find raising and slaughtering animals for food unethical" on the one side and "I like certain flavors" on the other.