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I don't think that's the point of the service. It's: A) A way of getting people over that "How much for an official replacement cart‽" hump, which often cause

by goldcd 6y ago

I don't think that's the point of the service. It's: A) A way of getting people over that "How much for an official replacement cart‽" hump, which often causes them to buy 'fake' ahem carts, or a new printer B) A way of getting people who "don't think they need a printer" to get a printer knowing what their costs will actually be up front.

falcolas 6y ago
> causes them to buy 'fake' ahem carts A system that addresses one point is still capable of addressing a second - extracting a maximum 'value' from their customers. > get a printer knowing what their costs will actually be up front I'm sorry, but a company that changes the price of the contract is the complete - ideologically and practically - opposite of "knowing [your] costs up front".
- goldcd 6y ago
  From HP's point of view of not given them a penny for maybe 20 years - and now I'm paying them $2 a month. They can knock off the cost of making and sending me a new cart - but they're ahead from this. A transaction has occurred due to this innovation and both sides are 'happy'. Innovation/Capitalism - should be catnip to this audience. I agree that I can't predict the costs exactly - but ballpark is good enough. Like cutting the cord. You don't know how your cable price might change, Netflix prices might increase, your provider might shift cost to your broadband to compensate - but for now it works out and presuming nothing major changes, you'll be fine with incremental stuff and maybe make another bold decision in a few years.
  - falcolas 6y ago
    > Innovation/Capitalism - should be catnip to this audience. Not when it's at the cost of a customer's rights. Between abusing the DMCA to restrict what ink cartridges can be used and actively changing a "free" ink program after advertising that it's for the lifetime of the printer. There's absolutely nothing we should be praising HP for here.
kylebenzle 6y ago
‽, What is this monstrosity‽
- lliamander 6y ago
  It's called an interrobang. It's essentially a way to ask a question emphatically.
- jmholla 6y ago
  It's an interrobang[0]. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interrobang https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interrobang
- boogies 6y ago
  https://lmddgtfy.net/?q=%E2%80%BD https://lmddgtfy.net/?q=%E2%80%BD You can type it in X11 (and Wayland too IIUC) with Compose, !, ? (or ?, !).
  - SquareWheel 6y ago
    > No results found for ‽. Not a glowing example of DDG there.
    - boogies 6y ago
      The Wikipedia article is in the sidebar. Maybe it doesn’t appear on mobile? You can also search “!s ‽” and get this: https://startpage.com/do/metasearch.pl?query=%E2%80%BD https://startpage.com/do/metasearch.pl?query=%E2%80%BD, but then you have to click “More” to see the full first paragraph of the Wikipedia page, and only then will it reveal the link to the full article there. The rest of the page is just clutter to me.
- StevePerkins 6y ago
  I don't why you're being downvoted. Programming ligatures are one thing. Your IDE manages them silently and transparently. They are client-side tech, not part of the actual data exchange. Teammates who find that they hurt code readability, rather than help it, are free to not use them in their own IDE. But going out of one's way with escape codes or whatever, to insert a poorly-legible replacement for "?!", is simply awful.

by goldcd 6y ago

falcolas 6y ago

> causes them to buy 'fake' ahem carts A system that addresses one point is still capable of addressing a second - extracting a maximum 'value' from their customers. > get a printer knowing what their costs will actually be up front I'm sorry, but a company that changes the price of the contract is the complete - ideologically and practically - opposite of "knowing [your] costs up front".

goldcd 6y ago
From HP's point of view of not given them a penny for maybe 20 years - and now I'm paying them $2 a month. They can knock off the cost of making and sending me a new cart - but they're ahead from this. A transaction has occurred due to this innovation and both sides are 'happy'. Innovation/Capitalism - should be catnip to this audience. I agree that I can't predict the costs exactly - but ballpark is good enough. Like cutting the cord. You don't know how your cable price might change, Netflix prices might increase, your provider might shift cost to your broadband to compensate - but for now it works out and presuming nothing major changes, you'll be fine with incremental stuff and maybe make another bold decision in a few years.
- falcolas 6y ago
  > Innovation/Capitalism - should be catnip to this audience. Not when it's at the cost of a customer's rights. Between abusing the DMCA to restrict what ink cartridges can be used and actively changing a "free" ink program after advertising that it's for the lifetime of the printer. There's absolutely nothing we should be praising HP for here.

kylebenzle 6y ago

‽, What is this monstrosity‽

lliamander 6y ago
It's called an interrobang. It's essentially a way to ask a question emphatically.
jmholla 6y ago
It's an interrobang[0]. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interrobang https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interrobang
boogies 6y ago
https://lmddgtfy.net/?q=%E2%80%BD https://lmddgtfy.net/?q=%E2%80%BD You can type it in X11 (and Wayland too IIUC) with Compose, !, ? (or ?, !).
- SquareWheel 6y ago
  > No results found for ‽. Not a glowing example of DDG there.
  - boogies 6y ago
    The Wikipedia article is in the sidebar. Maybe it doesn’t appear on mobile? You can also search “!s ‽” and get this: https://startpage.com/do/metasearch.pl?query=%E2%80%BD https://startpage.com/do/metasearch.pl?query=%E2%80%BD, but then you have to click “More” to see the full first paragraph of the Wikipedia page, and only then will it reveal the link to the full article there. The rest of the page is just clutter to me.
StevePerkins 6y ago
I don't why you're being downvoted. Programming ligatures are one thing. Your IDE manages them silently and transparently. They are client-side tech, not part of the actual data exchange. Teammates who find that they hurt code readability, rather than help it, are free to not use them in their own IDE. But going out of one's way with escape codes or whatever, to insert a poorly-legible replacement for "?!", is simply awful.