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I know you say that in mockery, but I'd rather be in isolation for longer and have a better idea what the long term of this looks like. Most other vaccines have

I know you say that in mockery, but I'd rather be in isolation for longer and have a better idea what the long term of this looks like. Most other vaccines have the same process.

tinus_hn 6y ago
Feel free to do so, as long as you don’t expect someone else to pay the price.
otherme123 6y ago
Long term effects of covid seems awful though. This, as with any vaccine or medicament out there (or actual living for that matter) is a quest to hit a sweet balance: - Yes, you can avoid covid and potential long effects of vaccine by living in a cave for the next 10 years. - You can "gamble" on a 0.01% chance of getting any long-term effects from the vaccine in exchange of getting 90% safe from covid. I take this "gamble" every year with a flu shot, because to me it sounds safer than getting flu followed by pneumonia. If everybody waits for the other 99% of people to get vaccined before them, so we can a free-ride on the herd immunity, we would never reach herd immunity. I don't know of any drug that is 100% safe. Heck, even a tampon could send you to the grave. For this kind of vaccinations, we should have a margin of confidence that, being similar to other vaccines in composition but just changing the viral load, long term effects should be similar. The Moderna vaccine is a different animal.
tachyonbeam 6y ago
Yeah, it's not like we've already developed and deployed hundreds of vaccines safely. This new vaccine could turn out to suddenly kill people exactly 5,263 days after injection, death from a sudden super-herpes rash. Better wait it out just to be sure.
standardUser 6y ago
This isn't like being a test pilot in an experimental rocket. This is like buying a 2021 Honda Civic. Is it different from the 2020 Civic? Yes. Could there be some unforeseen malfunction? It's not impossible. But this is not a bold new world of experimentation. It's a vaccine, with a tried and true development process and that has already been administered to tens of thousands of people (likely tens of millions over close to 12 months before a shot gets to your arm).
- JediWing 6y ago
  Wouldn't this be the first mRNA vaccine approved for the public? I know very little about the pharmaceutical underpinnings of mRNA vaccines and how theoretically likely adverse long-term results are, but I do think caution by laymen is not unwarranted for a new type of vaccine that has been fast-tracked through trials (albeit for good reason!)

I know you say that in mockery, but I'd rather be in isolation for longer and have a better idea what the long term of this looks like. Most other vaccines have the same process.

tinus_hn 6y ago

Feel free to do so, as long as you don’t expect someone else to pay the price.

otherme123 6y ago

Long term effects of covid seems awful though. This, as with any vaccine or medicament out there (or actual living for that matter) is a quest to hit a sweet balance: - Yes, you can avoid covid and potential long effects of vaccine by living in a cave for the next 10 years. - You can "gamble" on a 0.01% chance of getting any long-term effects from the vaccine in exchange of getting 90% safe from covid. I take this "gamble" every year with a flu shot, because to me it sounds safer than getting flu followed by pneumonia. If everybody waits for the other 99% of people to get vaccined before them, so we can a free-ride on the herd immunity, we would never reach herd immunity. I don't know of any drug that is 100% safe. Heck, even a tampon could send you to the grave. For this kind of vaccinations, we should have a margin of confidence that, being similar to other vaccines in composition but just changing the viral load, long term effects should be similar. The Moderna vaccine is a different animal.

tachyonbeam 6y ago

Yeah, it's not like we've already developed and deployed hundreds of vaccines safely. This new vaccine could turn out to suddenly kill people exactly 5,263 days after injection, death from a sudden super-herpes rash. Better wait it out just to be sure.

standardUser 6y ago

This isn't like being a test pilot in an experimental rocket. This is like buying a 2021 Honda Civic. Is it different from the 2020 Civic? Yes. Could there be some unforeseen malfunction? It's not impossible. But this is not a bold new world of experimentation. It's a vaccine, with a tried and true development process and that has already been administered to tens of thousands of people (likely tens of millions over close to 12 months before a shot gets to your arm).

JediWing 6y ago
Wouldn't this be the first mRNA vaccine approved for the public? I know very little about the pharmaceutical underpinnings of mRNA vaccines and how theoretically likely adverse long-term results are, but I do think caution by laymen is not unwarranted for a new type of vaccine that has been fast-tracked through trials (albeit for good reason!)