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I'd worry less about the lower vitamin C and more about the lower secondary metabolites that likely come with that. Anyone that has ever eaten a garden grown a

I'd worry less about the lower vitamin C and more about the lower secondary metabolites that likely come with that. Anyone that has ever eaten a garden grown anything can tell you that there is a lot missing in store produce. These secondary metabolites are likely the missing link in my opinion. We aren't malnourished (with respect to most vitamins and minerals) in the western world but we do likely have drastically less of all the terpenoid, phenol, and alkaloid compounds that make vegetables "healthy", to use a word you hate. To add insult to injury, vegetables and fruits low in secondary metabolites taste worse to us, so we eat even less of them than we should. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secondary_metabolite#Plant_secondary_metabolites https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secondary_metabolite#Plant_sec...

notJim 6y ago
> Anyone that has ever eaten a garden grown anything > can tell you that there is a lot missing in store produce I also enjoy gardening, but from a scientific perspective, I cannot support a statement like this. There is enormous room for bias in assessment of produce grown yourself, because of the physical and emotional investment made in said produce.
- newen 6y ago
  You don’t need a study published in a peer reviewed journal to know that vegetables bought in typical US grocery stores taste much worse than home grown ones.
  - alach11 6y ago
    I do need that. I’ve had plenty of home grown produce that I doubt could be distinguished from store bought in a blind taste test.
  - notJim 6y ago
    Depends on your skills as a gardener and your grocery store, I suppose. Some of my tomatoes were better than the best grocery store tomatoes and some were worse. In any case, the claim was not about flavor, but about nutrition profile, and a lot being "missing" from grocery store produce.
- bch 6y ago
  Watch food scientist Harold McGee[0][1] and see if you’re as impressed as I was, and that there’s potentially something in the GP claim. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_McGee https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_McGee [1] https://youtu.be/lQvfKNMybWY?t=1230 https://youtu.be/lQvfKNMybWY?t=1230

notJim 6y ago

> Anyone that has ever eaten a garden grown anything > can tell you that there is a lot missing in store produce I also enjoy gardening, but from a scientific perspective, I cannot support a statement like this. There is enormous room for bias in assessment of produce grown yourself, because of the physical and emotional investment made in said produce.

newen 6y ago
You don’t need a study published in a peer reviewed journal to know that vegetables bought in typical US grocery stores taste much worse than home grown ones.
- alach11 6y ago
  I do need that. I’ve had plenty of home grown produce that I doubt could be distinguished from store bought in a blind taste test.
- notJim 6y ago
  Depends on your skills as a gardener and your grocery store, I suppose. Some of my tomatoes were better than the best grocery store tomatoes and some were worse. In any case, the claim was not about flavor, but about nutrition profile, and a lot being "missing" from grocery store produce.
bch 6y ago
Watch food scientist Harold McGee[0][1] and see if you’re as impressed as I was, and that there’s potentially something in the GP claim. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_McGee https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_McGee [1] https://youtu.be/lQvfKNMybWY?t=1230 https://youtu.be/lQvfKNMybWY?t=1230