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Silly. Really? Using his fame to call a rescue diver a pedophile is silly? Is a prank? Fuck that. Elon Musk is a narcissistic asshole.

s5300 6y ago
Call me crazy, but I don't think narcissistic assholes are typically repetitive top donors to the ACLU without even mentioning it until they're called out on shit. A narcissistic asshole would atleast make it known or brag about it when doing so :)
- isoskeles 6y ago
  I never thought of Elon Musk as a narcissist, and I always assume most Elon Musk hate is political. But the fact that he has supporters on the internet point out how he made public donations to the ACLU makes me begin to think maybe he is a narcissist. Edit: I mean this specifically in the context of narcissism being a condition where a person tries to control the image others see of himself. Being able to make strangers say, "He's not a narcissistic asshole, he donated to the ACLU!" makes me think that's specifically an image he tried to project of himself onto others and succeeded for some. But I don't know the man, so I'd rather think it was just a donation.
  - s5300 6y ago
    I'm not a musk supporter in the slightest. I really don't have much of an opinion of the dude other than the fact he mostly seems like a dude. I don't exactly call this situation "controlling his image" https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.inverse.com/article/46184-aclu-respond-to-elon-musk-donor-claims/amp https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.inverse.com/article/46184-a... Sorry for the amp link - but maybe slightly look into things before posting. I don't think hed've ever said a damn thing about it if somebody didn't go "well why don't you donate to them"
    - isoskeles 6y ago
      > I don't exactly call this situation "controlling his image" > https://www.inverse.com/article/46184-aclu-respond-to-elon-musk-donor-claims https://www.inverse.com/article/46184-aclu-respond-to-elon-m... So this all spawned from a Twitter thread in which he starts off with a link to a song by a band he likes and then says, "I hope the kids are ok." You've convinced me he is a full-blown narcissist, thank you. If you wanted to change my mind, you failed at, "maybe slightly look into things before posting." Change your attitude and word usage when you engage with an already-neutral comment.
      - s5300 6y ago
        Saying "I hope the kids are ok." Implicates being a full-blown narcissist? Absolutely breaking HN rules here, RIP me, but you're fucking insane and your mind wasn't going to be swayed any other way to begin with lmao. Impossible to tell how you've gotten to the point you are with that line of thinking, but I'd suggest seeking help for it. That's just outright toxic.
        isoskeles 6y ago
        > maybe slightly look into things before posting > suggest seeking help Sure thing bud. Keep the personal insults coming, and then say I'm the one breaking the rules.
        s5300 6y ago
        My apologies if it was not clear - I was saying that I am the one breaking the rules in what I was going on to post.
craig1f 6y ago
The thing I like about Elon, is that when he is attacked for not being perfect, everyone goes back to this one thing that happened. If the worst thing you can bring up about him is that he called a rescue diver a pedophile this one time, he's pretty reliable. This is what, in space, we call an anomaly. They happen. It's ok, until they become a pattern.
- falcolas 6y ago
  His tweets show a trend of narcissistic behavior, the pedophile incident is merely the most egregious. EDIT: Thanks, @brianlweiner EDIT2: For the downvoters, whom I can only assume don't agree that he shows narcissistic asshole behavior: Yeah, I lift a little … pic.twitter.com/UAJdv8qSw1 We will coup whoever we want! Deal with it. I’m not at risk [of contracting Covid-19], neither are my kids Everybody dies Tesla stock price is too high imo Pronouns suck If I am a narcissist (which might be true), at least I am a useful one Am considering taking Tesla private at $420. Funding secured.
  - brianlweiner 6y ago
    FYI you probably meant 'egregious'
    - TheOtherHobbes 6y ago
      In this case both seem to apply.
- pizza234 6y ago
  Besides that fact that human perfection is not a meaningful concept, I personally consider that episode just a symptom of his personality - nothing more or less than a narcissist, who craves attention. I actually find it a genius, in a perverse way, in the fact that he turned the attention in a business model (although this approach is nothing new). Don't get me wrong, I credit him as a successful enterpreneur - just much inferior than the one he projects (and that a non-small audience believe he is).
- 6y ago
pizza234 6y ago
I second the narcissism diagnosis, and I'd like to add that naming his son after a formula (and a silly one, for that) is a proof - it's not going to be fun for the son when he grows up.
jesseb 6y ago
Are you honestly trying to tell us you've never called somebody something mean? Never said anything you've later regretted? Give me a break, people are imperfect.
- falcolas 6y ago
  If he'd taken back the statement, I'd agree that it was an outlier and forgivable. But he didn't; he doubled down on the pedophile label.
- awinder 6y ago
  People are imperfect, but people who truly delight themselves in their own imperfections have a problem and aren’t role models. Give _me_ a break, after thousands of years of forming groups humans are going to forget how to toss the assholes out? Nope.
- tveita 6y ago
  Saying he "called somebody something mean" is a somewhat reductionist way of referring to a months-long ordeal that included hiring a (fake) "private investigator" and trying to push his "findings" to the media. If you or I spent $50,000 to smear someone because they weren't sufficiently servile to us we might face some social and legal consequences but of course the rules work differently for "heroes" like Musk with virtues such as money.
simonh 6y ago
He's perfectly capable of that for sure, there's a streak of it in him that comes out from time to time, but I don't think it's his definitive trait and there are other times when it's not obvious at all. On that issue he definitely got it wrong.
voxic11 6y ago
He actually won at trial by claiming it was just a prank. > Musk testified that Unsworth had proposed a physically impossible act that could not be taken literally. Likewise, he said, the pedo guy phrase couldn’t be taken literally. “Mother-effer doesn’t literally mean incest,” he noted.
- darksaints 6y ago
  He also, after apologizing, doubled down and called him a child rapist a month later.
  - TeMPOraL 6y ago
    In an e-mail to BuzzFeed marked "off the record", urging the journalists to investigate Unsworth's past, which the journalists then published while excusing themselves by saying "OTR doesn't mean OTR unless we agree too!". Musk accused Unsworth of taking a child bride, based on information from a con-man who tricked Elon into hiring them as a private investigator. I think the full context paints a bit less evil picture than your summary. Also an unexpectedly convoluted story in itself.
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s5300 6y ago

Call me crazy, but I don't think narcissistic assholes are typically repetitive top donors to the ACLU without even mentioning it until they're called out on shit. A narcissistic asshole would atleast make it known or brag about it when doing so :)

isoskeles 6y ago
I never thought of Elon Musk as a narcissist, and I always assume most Elon Musk hate is political. But the fact that he has supporters on the internet point out how he made public donations to the ACLU makes me begin to think maybe he is a narcissist. Edit: I mean this specifically in the context of narcissism being a condition where a person tries to control the image others see of himself. Being able to make strangers say, "He's not a narcissistic asshole, he donated to the ACLU!" makes me think that's specifically an image he tried to project of himself onto others and succeeded for some. But I don't know the man, so I'd rather think it was just a donation.
- s5300 6y ago
  I'm not a musk supporter in the slightest. I really don't have much of an opinion of the dude other than the fact he mostly seems like a dude. I don't exactly call this situation "controlling his image" https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.inverse.com/article/46184-aclu-respond-to-elon-musk-donor-claims/amp https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.inverse.com/article/46184-a... Sorry for the amp link - but maybe slightly look into things before posting. I don't think hed've ever said a damn thing about it if somebody didn't go "well why don't you donate to them"
  - isoskeles 6y ago
    > I don't exactly call this situation "controlling his image" > https://www.inverse.com/article/46184-aclu-respond-to-elon-musk-donor-claims https://www.inverse.com/article/46184-aclu-respond-to-elon-m... So this all spawned from a Twitter thread in which he starts off with a link to a song by a band he likes and then says, "I hope the kids are ok." You've convinced me he is a full-blown narcissist, thank you. If you wanted to change my mind, you failed at, "maybe slightly look into things before posting." Change your attitude and word usage when you engage with an already-neutral comment.
    - s5300 6y ago
      Saying "I hope the kids are ok." Implicates being a full-blown narcissist? Absolutely breaking HN rules here, RIP me, but you're fucking insane and your mind wasn't going to be swayed any other way to begin with lmao. Impossible to tell how you've gotten to the point you are with that line of thinking, but I'd suggest seeking help for it. That's just outright toxic.
      - isoskeles 6y ago
        > maybe slightly look into things before posting > suggest seeking help Sure thing bud. Keep the personal insults coming, and then say I'm the one breaking the rules.
        s5300 6y ago
        My apologies if it was not clear - I was saying that I am the one breaking the rules in what I was going on to post.

craig1f 6y ago

The thing I like about Elon, is that when he is attacked for not being perfect, everyone goes back to this one thing that happened. If the worst thing you can bring up about him is that he called a rescue diver a pedophile this one time, he's pretty reliable. This is what, in space, we call an anomaly. They happen. It's ok, until they become a pattern.

falcolas 6y ago
His tweets show a trend of narcissistic behavior, the pedophile incident is merely the most egregious. EDIT: Thanks, @brianlweiner EDIT2: For the downvoters, whom I can only assume don't agree that he shows narcissistic asshole behavior: Yeah, I lift a little … pic.twitter.com/UAJdv8qSw1 We will coup whoever we want! Deal with it. I’m not at risk [of contracting Covid-19], neither are my kids Everybody dies Tesla stock price is too high imo Pronouns suck If I am a narcissist (which might be true), at least I am a useful one Am considering taking Tesla private at $420. Funding secured.
- brianlweiner 6y ago
  FYI you probably meant 'egregious'
  - TheOtherHobbes 6y ago
    In this case both seem to apply.
pizza234 6y ago
Besides that fact that human perfection is not a meaningful concept, I personally consider that episode just a symptom of his personality - nothing more or less than a narcissist, who craves attention. I actually find it a genius, in a perverse way, in the fact that he turned the attention in a business model (although this approach is nothing new). Don't get me wrong, I credit him as a successful enterpreneur - just much inferior than the one he projects (and that a non-small audience believe he is).
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pizza234 6y ago

I second the narcissism diagnosis, and I'd like to add that naming his son after a formula (and a silly one, for that) is a proof - it's not going to be fun for the son when he grows up.

jesseb 6y ago

Are you honestly trying to tell us you've never called somebody something mean? Never said anything you've later regretted? Give me a break, people are imperfect.

falcolas 6y ago
If he'd taken back the statement, I'd agree that it was an outlier and forgivable. But he didn't; he doubled down on the pedophile label.
awinder 6y ago
People are imperfect, but people who truly delight themselves in their own imperfections have a problem and aren’t role models. Give _me_ a break, after thousands of years of forming groups humans are going to forget how to toss the assholes out? Nope.
tveita 6y ago
Saying he "called somebody something mean" is a somewhat reductionist way of referring to a months-long ordeal that included hiring a (fake) "private investigator" and trying to push his "findings" to the media. If you or I spent $50,000 to smear someone because they weren't sufficiently servile to us we might face some social and legal consequences but of course the rules work differently for "heroes" like Musk with virtues such as money.

simonh 6y ago

He's perfectly capable of that for sure, there's a streak of it in him that comes out from time to time, but I don't think it's his definitive trait and there are other times when it's not obvious at all. On that issue he definitely got it wrong.

voxic11 6y ago

He actually won at trial by claiming it was just a prank. > Musk testified that Unsworth had proposed a physically impossible act that could not be taken literally. Likewise, he said, the pedo guy phrase couldn’t be taken literally. “Mother-effer doesn’t literally mean incest,” he noted.

darksaints 6y ago
He also, after apologizing, doubled down and called him a child rapist a month later.
- TeMPOraL 6y ago
  In an e-mail to BuzzFeed marked "off the record", urging the journalists to investigate Unsworth's past, which the journalists then published while excusing themselves by saying "OTR doesn't mean OTR unless we agree too!". Musk accused Unsworth of taking a child bride, based on information from a con-man who tricked Elon into hiring them as a private investigator. I think the full context paints a bit less evil picture than your summary. Also an unexpectedly convoluted story in itself.

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