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I don't care what Elon Musk thinks anymore

59 points by avthar 6y ago

bryanrasmussen 6y ago
everybody outsources their thinking to some extent. It is nice if people can have a sort of overview of their own thoughts to understand how they have outsourced it.
- avthar 6y ago
  Spot on, I think awareness of where you've outsourced your thinking is most important, vs not doing it at all. The startup example was one where I wasn't aware that I'd outsourced my thinking and it came back to bite me in the long run
TgXYTFZd9Nrx 6y ago
TLDR Follow your own path. Don’t outsource your thinking.
- avthar 6y ago
  I'd also add, be aware where you've outsourced your thinking, otherwise it can come back to bite you in the long run.
- np_tedious 6y ago
  I don't have enough cycles to think everything myself. Outsourcing some things, in a conscious and well chosen and subject-to-revision manner, seems like a pretty important practice.
question000 6y ago
One think I think people really don't seem to grok about Elon is that fundamentally he's a pretty silly guy, just look at his Twitter, he may have accomplished a lot, but much of what he says and does is just not meant to be taken seriously and essentially pranking.
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- z9e 6y ago
  This just shows not everyone is perfect, and never will be. Twitter unfortunately makes it simple for people to output their unfiltered thought. I feel like we'd find something uncouth about anyone if we knew all of their unfiltered thoughts.
  - danhak 6y ago
    No one is perfect because everyone has a different definition of “perfect.” Plenty of folks find his trolling and irreverence endearing.
    - z9e 6y ago
      Exactly what I was trying to get at.
  - newsbinator 6y ago
    > This just shows not everyone is perfect I'll bet he knows intellectually what is and isn't diplomatic or good PR for himself and his companies on Twitter. He simply doesn't care to worry about it.
  - Tepix 6y ago
    What is "perfect"? What do you think about Steve Wozniak? Is he "imperfect" because he is silly? > Twitter unfortunately makes it simple for people to output their unfiltered thought. That's one of the best things about the platform.
    - z9e 6y ago
      Perfect is completely subjective, which is my entire point. I personally enjoy the quirks of Steve Wozniak. > That's one of the best things about the platform. I disagree, we're lacking critical thought in many places and very influential people not thinking critically about what they are about to tweet is not helping anyone.
CalChris 6y ago
I've actually never read the phrase product-market-founder fit before. I've read product-market fit, or PMF, a million times.
- avthar 6y ago
  It's something I picked up from Naval Ravikant (@naval on Twitter) [1] "Marc Andreessen came up with the concept of the “product-market fit.” I would expand that to “product-market-founder fit,” taking into account how well a founder is personally suited to the business. The combination of the three should be your overwhelming goal." [2] [1] https://twitter.com/naval https://twitter.com/naval [2] https://nav.al/work-hard https://nav.al/work-hard
d33lio 6y ago
I love how people think Elon is "evil" when it's clear people who interpret his banter this way have 100% fallen for his trolling. I chuckle at "journalists" / people who snidely respond to his tweets thinking he cares about their opinion. Twitter is obviously pure entertainment for Mr. Musk. And yes, I fully acknowledge Tesla is a shit show and would never want to work there - a good friend of mine works at Tesla and confirms this all the time lmao.
- j4yav 6y ago
  Doesn't this line of thinking lead to everyone being able to project any viewpoint on him by deciding which (different) things are trolling and which are not?
  - d33lio 6y ago
    Are you really claiming it's hard to tell whether or not a facetious tweet like "we aren't going to follow earth laws on mars" differs from "can't wait to rollout new model Y features"? This is first grade level perception, no? You're really arguing that what someone says is either always serious or always comical and meaningless? Living like this must be incredibly exhausting my friend...
- AlexandrB 6y ago
  > I love how people think Elon is "evil" when it's clear people who interpret his banter this way have 100% fallen for his trolling. Not to veer into politics, but I've heard the same thing said about Donald Trump. At some point The Rule of Goats[1] applies. [1] https://twitter.com/popehat/status/858722120620265473 https://twitter.com/popehat/status/858722120620265473
  - d33lio 6y ago
    Ironically, you could argue the same about some of Kamala Hariss' rhetoric.
- amanaplanacanal 6y ago
  This is easy to solve: Trolling is evil. Don't do it.
ecmascript 6y ago
He said in that clip that everything that creates value is valuable, it doesn't have to change the world in any big way. I donno, he specifically got asked the question and I think the answer is probably the most correct one as well. If you just listen to what other people say and try to follow that yeah, that is outsourcing your thinking. But do people really study and start an AI company just because Elon Musk thinks this is a big thing for the future?
- avthar 6y ago
  Thinking back to my teenage and college years, what "smart people" like Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates, said was important to work on guided the interests of myself and my friend group. I don't think we were alone in that
  - ecmascript 6y ago
    Yeah maybe, but somewhere in that there was probably just a passion for stuff as well? There is a reason that you listen to someone. It's not bad advice to listen to what smart people think is important or what problems they believe to be important to work on in the future. But somewhere along the way you must decide on what you want to do and I think most people have no issues in that. But if you're young and have no experience, it is IMO a good idea to try things that people with experience like Elon Musk say will be important for the future. Then if you dislike it, you can simply drop it for something else.
mrkstu 6y ago
Musk is exciting for what he does, not his bloviating. He's a low EQ high EQ guy that has a bulldozer personality and work ethic. If you want to learn from watching what he does professionally, you'll probably learn a lot. If you try to learn from what he says, if it isn't about technical aspects of his machines, you're in for a bunch of poor examples of how to be a good person. He reminds me a lot of Linus Torvalds, exceptional individual who contributions have changed the world, but like all of us humans, with a variety of warts in how he interacts with others. Main thing to remember- from George Washington to Einstein to Ghandi- there isn't a human that you can model all aspects of your life on, no uber-virtuous genius- each of us has different strengths and weaknesses and we need to pick and choose examples for our areas of need.
- Cthulhu_ 6y ago
  He's got charm and appeal to the tech community on the one hand, but as with a few other leaders like him, he's ruthless and shameless; influencing the market by tweeting about taking the company private at $number, forcing his employees to work during a pandemic, and probably a whole slew of other underhanded techniques to try and nab his dank stock price target based performance bonus.
doublerabbit 6y ago
Down-votes ahoy! I've never once cared with Elon Musk has had to say. The image he paints is one of a rich arrogant prick who creates false pedophilic allegations, spews immature humor to caress a younger crowd and snobs on the poor. He's a selfless-egotistic sociopath with money who doesn't care about anything apart from himself. He has no good nature; there is nothing about his personality that you should admire. However I do make assumption you've got to own these traits if you ever want to make bank. Prove me wrong.
- dontcarethrow2 6y ago
  You just need bank to make bank. He serves as a figure of greed to be idolized. If it wasn't him it would be some other (y)uppie in the valley. Seems like every industry has their rockstar figures to pull in new interest. Good or bad, it's a talking point(I assume some modern marketing technique everyone eventually will read about).
  - doublerabbit 6y ago
    You got me there. True, but you still need an X-enabler to actually make the requirement to claim yourself as at least a millionaire. Who's honestly going to make themselves a millionaire when we are all being paid incomes that are worth a pittance after taxes and so on? I'm just fed up with such people running the show and showing no compassion to those outside of such and getting away with it with no consequences. For someone who wants to reach a further planet and showing no care or decency for the planet we live on is just despicable. And a personality type of that such is just sad. Do people really go loopy once you do reach $X?
thom 6y ago
A sizeable portion this site is dedicated to the teachings of Josh Waitzkin, to whom the author (even if we're being very charitable) has clearly outsourced at least some thinking. I really think people would be better off cutting out productivity and startup porn entirely tbh, as much as I enjoy Josh's story.
- avthar 6y ago
  Guilty as charged - much of my writing is processing my own thoughts and reminders to myself. My thinking is far from perfect and very much a WIP
chadwittman 6y ago
"Don't outsource your thinking"... here are 580 words with my thinking on what you should think about thinking ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
- TeMPOraL 6y ago
  That, and a clickbait submission title by the author themselves (the title of the article itself is "Don’t outsource your thinking").
  - pmarreck 6y ago
    I see it got flagged. I'm glad at least HN is cognizant of not giving into clickbait to get views.
jamisteven 6y ago
"I dont care what Elon says" Writes blog about Elon
simonh 6y ago
That's absolutely hilarious. The blog post is all "I don't want to know what the 5 things are, and I wont watch the clip because I don't care what Elon thinks, because I should think for myself and do what matters to me even if it's not a major problem for civilization", and Elon's actual initial suggestion right at the beginning of the clip is saying _exactly_ the same thing. Classic.
darksaints 6y ago
I have a lot of respect for his accomplishments, but I find his public persona quite obnoxious. That's not a particularly novel opinion of him, and there are a lot of famous people out there like that. After a little bit of reflection, I actually came to realize I'd probably be the same way, spouting unsolicited opinions and throwaway memes, if I had a massive internet following that considered me a genius. And it makes me a little glad I'm not famous. I much prefer my obnoxious opinions being tied to a random alias that nobody can be bothered to stalk.
stunt 6y ago
Tweet, Buy, Tweet, Sell, Repeat.

59 points by avthar 6y ago

everybody outsources their thinking to some extent. It is nice if people can have a sort of overview of their own thoughts to understand how they have outsourced it.

avthar 6y ago
Spot on, I think awareness of where you've outsourced your thinking is most important, vs not doing it at all. The startup example was one where I wasn't aware that I'd outsourced my thinking and it came back to bite me in the long run

TgXYTFZd9Nrx 6y ago

TLDR Follow your own path. Don’t outsource your thinking.

avthar 6y ago
I'd also add, be aware where you've outsourced your thinking, otherwise it can come back to bite you in the long run.
np_tedious 6y ago
I don't have enough cycles to think everything myself. Outsourcing some things, in a conscious and well chosen and subject-to-revision manner, seems like a pretty important practice.

question000 6y ago

One think I think people really don't seem to grok about Elon is that fundamentally he's a pretty silly guy, just look at his Twitter, he may have accomplished a lot, but much of what he says and does is just not meant to be taken seriously and essentially pranking.

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z9e 6y ago
This just shows not everyone is perfect, and never will be. Twitter unfortunately makes it simple for people to output their unfiltered thought. I feel like we'd find something uncouth about anyone if we knew all of their unfiltered thoughts.
- danhak 6y ago
  No one is perfect because everyone has a different definition of “perfect.” Plenty of folks find his trolling and irreverence endearing.
  - z9e 6y ago
    Exactly what I was trying to get at.
- newsbinator 6y ago
  > This just shows not everyone is perfect I'll bet he knows intellectually what is and isn't diplomatic or good PR for himself and his companies on Twitter. He simply doesn't care to worry about it.
- Tepix 6y ago
  What is "perfect"? What do you think about Steve Wozniak? Is he "imperfect" because he is silly? > Twitter unfortunately makes it simple for people to output their unfiltered thought. That's one of the best things about the platform.
  - z9e 6y ago
    Perfect is completely subjective, which is my entire point. I personally enjoy the quirks of Steve Wozniak. > That's one of the best things about the platform. I disagree, we're lacking critical thought in many places and very influential people not thinking critically about what they are about to tweet is not helping anyone.

CalChris 6y ago

I've actually never read the phrase product-market-founder fit before. I've read product-market fit, or PMF, a million times.

avthar 6y ago
It's something I picked up from Naval Ravikant (@naval on Twitter) [1] "Marc Andreessen came up with the concept of the “product-market fit.” I would expand that to “product-market-founder fit,” taking into account how well a founder is personally suited to the business. The combination of the three should be your overwhelming goal." [2] [1] https://twitter.com/naval https://twitter.com/naval [2] https://nav.al/work-hard https://nav.al/work-hard

d33lio 6y ago

I love how people think Elon is "evil" when it's clear people who interpret his banter this way have 100% fallen for his trolling. I chuckle at "journalists" / people who snidely respond to his tweets thinking he cares about their opinion. Twitter is obviously pure entertainment for Mr. Musk. And yes, I fully acknowledge Tesla is a shit show and would never want to work there - a good friend of mine works at Tesla and confirms this all the time lmao.

j4yav 6y ago
Doesn't this line of thinking lead to everyone being able to project any viewpoint on him by deciding which (different) things are trolling and which are not?
- d33lio 6y ago
  Are you really claiming it's hard to tell whether or not a facetious tweet like "we aren't going to follow earth laws on mars" differs from "can't wait to rollout new model Y features"? This is first grade level perception, no? You're really arguing that what someone says is either always serious or always comical and meaningless? Living like this must be incredibly exhausting my friend...
AlexandrB 6y ago
> I love how people think Elon is "evil" when it's clear people who interpret his banter this way have 100% fallen for his trolling. Not to veer into politics, but I've heard the same thing said about Donald Trump. At some point The Rule of Goats[1] applies. [1] https://twitter.com/popehat/status/858722120620265473 https://twitter.com/popehat/status/858722120620265473
- d33lio 6y ago
  Ironically, you could argue the same about some of Kamala Hariss' rhetoric.
amanaplanacanal 6y ago
This is easy to solve: Trolling is evil. Don't do it.

ecmascript 6y ago

He said in that clip that everything that creates value is valuable, it doesn't have to change the world in any big way. I donno, he specifically got asked the question and I think the answer is probably the most correct one as well. If you just listen to what other people say and try to follow that yeah, that is outsourcing your thinking. But do people really study and start an AI company just because Elon Musk thinks this is a big thing for the future?

avthar 6y ago
Thinking back to my teenage and college years, what "smart people" like Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates, said was important to work on guided the interests of myself and my friend group. I don't think we were alone in that
- ecmascript 6y ago
  Yeah maybe, but somewhere in that there was probably just a passion for stuff as well? There is a reason that you listen to someone. It's not bad advice to listen to what smart people think is important or what problems they believe to be important to work on in the future. But somewhere along the way you must decide on what you want to do and I think most people have no issues in that. But if you're young and have no experience, it is IMO a good idea to try things that people with experience like Elon Musk say will be important for the future. Then if you dislike it, you can simply drop it for something else.

mrkstu 6y ago

Musk is exciting for what he does, not his bloviating. He's a low EQ high EQ guy that has a bulldozer personality and work ethic. If you want to learn from watching what he does professionally, you'll probably learn a lot. If you try to learn from what he says, if it isn't about technical aspects of his machines, you're in for a bunch of poor examples of how to be a good person. He reminds me a lot of Linus Torvalds, exceptional individual who contributions have changed the world, but like all of us humans, with a variety of warts in how he interacts with others. Main thing to remember- from George Washington to Einstein to Ghandi- there isn't a human that you can model all aspects of your life on, no uber-virtuous genius- each of us has different strengths and weaknesses and we need to pick and choose examples for our areas of need.

Cthulhu_ 6y ago
He's got charm and appeal to the tech community on the one hand, but as with a few other leaders like him, he's ruthless and shameless; influencing the market by tweeting about taking the company private at $number, forcing his employees to work during a pandemic, and probably a whole slew of other underhanded techniques to try and nab his dank stock price target based performance bonus.

doublerabbit 6y ago

Down-votes ahoy! I've never once cared with Elon Musk has had to say. The image he paints is one of a rich arrogant prick who creates false pedophilic allegations, spews immature humor to caress a younger crowd and snobs on the poor. He's a selfless-egotistic sociopath with money who doesn't care about anything apart from himself. He has no good nature; there is nothing about his personality that you should admire. However I do make assumption you've got to own these traits if you ever want to make bank. Prove me wrong.

dontcarethrow2 6y ago
You just need bank to make bank. He serves as a figure of greed to be idolized. If it wasn't him it would be some other (y)uppie in the valley. Seems like every industry has their rockstar figures to pull in new interest. Good or bad, it's a talking point(I assume some modern marketing technique everyone eventually will read about).
- doublerabbit 6y ago
  You got me there. True, but you still need an X-enabler to actually make the requirement to claim yourself as at least a millionaire. Who's honestly going to make themselves a millionaire when we are all being paid incomes that are worth a pittance after taxes and so on? I'm just fed up with such people running the show and showing no compassion to those outside of such and getting away with it with no consequences. For someone who wants to reach a further planet and showing no care or decency for the planet we live on is just despicable. And a personality type of that such is just sad. Do people really go loopy once you do reach $X?

thom 6y ago

A sizeable portion this site is dedicated to the teachings of Josh Waitzkin, to whom the author (even if we're being very charitable) has clearly outsourced at least some thinking. I really think people would be better off cutting out productivity and startup porn entirely tbh, as much as I enjoy Josh's story.

avthar 6y ago
Guilty as charged - much of my writing is processing my own thoughts and reminders to myself. My thinking is far from perfect and very much a WIP

chadwittman 6y ago

"Don't outsource your thinking"... here are 580 words with my thinking on what you should think about thinking ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

TeMPOraL 6y ago
That, and a clickbait submission title by the author themselves (the title of the article itself is "Don’t outsource your thinking").
- pmarreck 6y ago
  I see it got flagged. I'm glad at least HN is cognizant of not giving into clickbait to get views.

jamisteven 6y ago

"I dont care what Elon says" Writes blog about Elon

simonh 6y ago

That's absolutely hilarious. The blog post is all "I don't want to know what the 5 things are, and I wont watch the clip because I don't care what Elon thinks, because I should think for myself and do what matters to me even if it's not a major problem for civilization", and Elon's actual initial suggestion right at the beginning of the clip is saying _exactly_ the same thing. Classic.

darksaints 6y ago

I have a lot of respect for his accomplishments, but I find his public persona quite obnoxious. That's not a particularly novel opinion of him, and there are a lot of famous people out there like that. After a little bit of reflection, I actually came to realize I'd probably be the same way, spouting unsolicited opinions and throwaway memes, if I had a massive internet following that considered me a genius. And it makes me a little glad I'm not famous. I much prefer my obnoxious opinions being tied to a random alias that nobody can be bothered to stalk.

stunt 6y ago

Tweet, Buy, Tweet, Sell, Repeat.