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The same can be said about Android devices. And I don't think it would be any different if the devices were Real Computers.

whywhywhywhy 6y ago
Nah, smartphones existed before the iPhone but they were tools. The changes the iPhone brought is what changed them from being tools to what they are today and Real Computers still don't exhibit the toxic anxiety and depression inducing habits that modern smartphones cause. If a computer is in a room people can walk away from it without interacting with it for 30 minutes, not sure people can even manage 5 minutes from their phones.
- emteycz 6y ago
  Did you own a smartphone before the iPhone came out? I did, more than one. It was not a tool, it was nearly useless, useful only for basic plaintext e-mailing, SSH, and very very basic games. It was the new Real Computer-alike capabilities (CPU instruction sets, OS and the libraries, RAM and storage amounts - Windows Mobile 6 was incomparable shit) of iPhone and subsequent Android-based devices that made these devices actual tools, capable of browsing the web and enough performance for games and apps, and these same capabilities were what made them the social plague. Seems like we need less Real Computers in the world, not more...
  - whywhywhywhy 6y ago
    Real Computers could so all that before smartphones, why did the same not happen to them and why are they still not as damaging as smartphones then if computation power is the cause?
    - emteycz 6y ago
      People absolutely did spend absurd amount of hours obsessing over social networks and games before smartphones became commonplace. Smartphones are Real Computers, and that's why they're at least as damaging as PCs are. On top of that: - 3G internet became commonplace and cheap enough to be connected nonstop - Support for battery-efficient push notifications integrated into the OS - Internet (social networking) ads became what they are - Micro transactions and internet payments became commonplace

whywhywhywhy 6y ago

Nah, smartphones existed before the iPhone but they were tools. The changes the iPhone brought is what changed them from being tools to what they are today and Real Computers still don't exhibit the toxic anxiety and depression inducing habits that modern smartphones cause. If a computer is in a room people can walk away from it without interacting with it for 30 minutes, not sure people can even manage 5 minutes from their phones.

emteycz 6y ago
Did you own a smartphone before the iPhone came out? I did, more than one. It was not a tool, it was nearly useless, useful only for basic plaintext e-mailing, SSH, and very very basic games. It was the new Real Computer-alike capabilities (CPU instruction sets, OS and the libraries, RAM and storage amounts - Windows Mobile 6 was incomparable shit) of iPhone and subsequent Android-based devices that made these devices actual tools, capable of browsing the web and enough performance for games and apps, and these same capabilities were what made them the social plague. Seems like we need less Real Computers in the world, not more...
- whywhywhywhy 6y ago
  Real Computers could so all that before smartphones, why did the same not happen to them and why are they still not as damaging as smartphones then if computation power is the cause?
  - emteycz 6y ago
    People absolutely did spend absurd amount of hours obsessing over social networks and games before smartphones became commonplace. Smartphones are Real Computers, and that's why they're at least as damaging as PCs are. On top of that: - 3G internet became commonplace and cheap enough to be connected nonstop - Support for battery-efficient push notifications integrated into the OS - Internet (social networking) ads became what they are - Micro transactions and internet payments became commonplace