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> I wonder if the people scared of permanent damage caused by Covid (for which there is no evidence) According to Google, 1.26M deaths and counting. If dying i

by jusssi 6y ago

> I wonder if the people scared of permanent damage caused by Covid (for which there is no evidence) According to Google, 1.26M deaths and counting. If dying is not permanent damage, I'm not sure what is.

anoncake 6y ago
You know exactly what I meant so don't pretend otherwise. By the way, 1.26 million is less than 0.02% of the world's population.
- jusssi 6y ago
  No, I don't. Please explain.
  - anoncake 6y ago
    Apologies. I meant the myth of "Long Covid" – people being permanently disabled after they had Covid.
    - nicoburns 6y ago
      In what way does thousands of people self-reporting new and ongoing medical issues after a positive COVID diagnosis not constitute evidence that this is happening? Clinical trials are not the only form of evidence.
      - collyw 6y ago
        The vast majority of serve cases had co-morbidities before covid. Of course they are going to have problems after.
        nicoburns 6y ago
        One of the striking things about "Long Covid" patients is that many of them didn't have severe covid symptoms (they didn't require hospitalisation, etc), and yet they have still had ongoing problems months later (some people have reported symptoms clearing up a few months later, some people still have unresolved issues).
        djsumdog 6y ago
        Which also a symptom of mass-hysteria. I've read the UK study published from the publisher in Charlottesville and it's a case study of ~60 people (and there are 8 individual cause studies from that study) and almost all of them were either over 55, or were in high risk jobs (jobs were not mentioned for privacy). Many of the old had comorbidity. If you read the actual papers and not the press releases on "long-covid" .. it's really small groups, and honestly, it could easily be nocebo or hysteria. It could be a real effect too (like lymes disease, where the immune system continues to overreact after the infection is gone). It's really way too early to tell. Also, ANY virus can lead to permanent neurological damage in the elderly. It can happen for things that are minor infections for 30 year olds.
      - aaron695 6y ago
        > In what way does thousands of people self-reporting new and ongoing medical issues after a positive COVID diagnosis not constitute evidence that this is happening? What we see every single day in society by massive amounts of people. People getting ill from nocebos. Given the issues we know around self-reporting why on earth would you believe it? And given the massive amounts of hours and funding put into the coronavirus, the missing clinical data matters. Getting away from the trolling of the op, pretending they didn't know about the deaths. We know being on a respirator will cause damage. We know antibiotics or steroids or whatever causes damage. We know being in a coma will cause damage. What's being talked about is new/additional/unknown damage caused by this virus. The real data on this is slim.
        nicoburns 6y ago
        > We know being on a respirator will cause damage. We know antibiotics or steroids or whatever causes damage. We know being in a coma will cause damage. > What's being talked about is new/additional/unknown damage caused by this virus. The real data on this is slim. We know that similar viruses (e.g. SARS-COV-1) can cause long term damage to heart/lungs. We know that several viruses can cause post-viral chronic fatigue. > The real data on this is slim. I think what most people are calling for is more investigation into this. And in the meantime some caution is warranted regarding the possibility.
        djsumdog 6y ago
        > several viruses can cause post-viral chronic fatigue Right, and with over 95% of fatalities being people over 55, we know this virus affects the elderly disproportionally. Furthermore, TONS of infections cause major neurological damages, strokes and other conditions in the elderly, which rarely (but sometimes) affects young people as well. A minor fungal infection can leave you with complications that lead to permanent disability. What we are attributing to CoV2 may just be people who were alright at high risk for any infection, taking a particularly hit to this one.

by jusssi 6y ago

anoncake 6y ago

You know exactly what I meant so don't pretend otherwise. By the way, 1.26 million is less than 0.02% of the world's population.

jusssi 6y ago
No, I don't. Please explain.
- anoncake 6y ago
  Apologies. I meant the myth of "Long Covid" – people being permanently disabled after they had Covid.
  - nicoburns 6y ago
    In what way does thousands of people self-reporting new and ongoing medical issues after a positive COVID diagnosis not constitute evidence that this is happening? Clinical trials are not the only form of evidence.
    - collyw 6y ago
      The vast majority of serve cases had co-morbidities before covid. Of course they are going to have problems after.
      - nicoburns 6y ago
        One of the striking things about "Long Covid" patients is that many of them didn't have severe covid symptoms (they didn't require hospitalisation, etc), and yet they have still had ongoing problems months later (some people have reported symptoms clearing up a few months later, some people still have unresolved issues).
        djsumdog 6y ago
        Which also a symptom of mass-hysteria. I've read the UK study published from the publisher in Charlottesville and it's a case study of ~60 people (and there are 8 individual cause studies from that study) and almost all of them were either over 55, or were in high risk jobs (jobs were not mentioned for privacy). Many of the old had comorbidity. If you read the actual papers and not the press releases on "long-covid" .. it's really small groups, and honestly, it could easily be nocebo or hysteria. It could be a real effect too (like lymes disease, where the immune system continues to overreact after the infection is gone). It's really way too early to tell. Also, ANY virus can lead to permanent neurological damage in the elderly. It can happen for things that are minor infections for 30 year olds.
    - aaron695 6y ago
      > In what way does thousands of people self-reporting new and ongoing medical issues after a positive COVID diagnosis not constitute evidence that this is happening? What we see every single day in society by massive amounts of people. People getting ill from nocebos. Given the issues we know around self-reporting why on earth would you believe it? And given the massive amounts of hours and funding put into the coronavirus, the missing clinical data matters. Getting away from the trolling of the op, pretending they didn't know about the deaths. We know being on a respirator will cause damage. We know antibiotics or steroids or whatever causes damage. We know being in a coma will cause damage. What's being talked about is new/additional/unknown damage caused by this virus. The real data on this is slim.
      - nicoburns 6y ago
        > We know being on a respirator will cause damage. We know antibiotics or steroids or whatever causes damage. We know being in a coma will cause damage. > What's being talked about is new/additional/unknown damage caused by this virus. The real data on this is slim. We know that similar viruses (e.g. SARS-COV-1) can cause long term damage to heart/lungs. We know that several viruses can cause post-viral chronic fatigue. > The real data on this is slim. I think what most people are calling for is more investigation into this. And in the meantime some caution is warranted regarding the possibility.
        djsumdog 6y ago
        > several viruses can cause post-viral chronic fatigue Right, and with over 95% of fatalities being people over 55, we know this virus affects the elderly disproportionally. Furthermore, TONS of infections cause major neurological damages, strokes and other conditions in the elderly, which rarely (but sometimes) affects young people as well. A minor fungal infection can leave you with complications that lead to permanent disability. What we are attributing to CoV2 may just be people who were alright at high risk for any infection, taking a particularly hit to this one.