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> but about networks which are systematically and in actuality doing things like trafficking children for sexual abuse The state must declare the child to be t

> but about networks which are systematically and in actuality doing things like trafficking children for sexual abuse The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation. --Adolf Hitler

Veedrac 6y ago
I believe this is a misquote. It's also a morally horrific line of argument. Like saying you shouldn't care about shooting civilians because bad people in the past have used human shields as a war tactic. These are not imagined people being hurt, spun out of whole cloth.
- Krisando 6y ago
  > I believe this is a misquote. It is a legitimate known translation, not a misquote from the Ralph Manheim translation of Mein Kampf (ISBN 0395078016 / year 1943), page 403. Other translations have similar wording on the page, although not in such a nice succint sentence. Manheim was known to have gone into great effort to create an exact English equivalent of Hitler's work for Mein Kampf. > It's also a morally horrific line of argument. Like saying you shouldn't care about shooting civilians because bad people in the past have used human shields as a war tactic. The point of the quote is to show there are no limits curtailing liberties, not an absolute we shouldn't bother. The attempt to spin the quote into something else, probably because, you wish to "protect the children" is proving the point.
  - Veedrac 6y ago
    > The point of the quote is to show there are no limits curtailing liberties, not an absolute we shouldn't bother. The attempt to spin the quote into something else, probably because, you wish to "protect the children" is proving the point. This is not even remotely how you used it. My argument is one where there are obvious checks and balances, where government power is clearly and significantly limited, and little is left exclusively to government trust. Yet because I mentioned that there are actual people being actually raped, I get Godwin's Law'd. Not because I advocated for Chinese style state control. Not because I took away liberties that most people even care about, given most people are perfectly happy using Google services. But because I dared mention that real people are suffering. This happens every time on HN, no matter how moderate my position. Anything even remotely compromising the Bottom Line (universal perfect cryptographic security) is Hitler.
    - Krisando 6y ago
      > Yet because I mentioned that there are actual people being actually raped, I get Godwin's Law'd I looked at your posting history, not much Hitler mentions in responses relating to those topics. This is hyperbolic. > no matter how moderate my position If your position was moderate then "Most software already practically backdoored already" would have been sufficient. > Anything even remotely compromising the Bottom Line (universal perfect cryptographic security) is Hitler. You're way too focused on Hitler. Pretend it's not Hitler, the point is still valid.

Veedrac 6y ago

I believe this is a misquote. It's also a morally horrific line of argument. Like saying you shouldn't care about shooting civilians because bad people in the past have used human shields as a war tactic. These are not imagined people being hurt, spun out of whole cloth.

Krisando 6y ago
> I believe this is a misquote. It is a legitimate known translation, not a misquote from the Ralph Manheim translation of Mein Kampf (ISBN 0395078016 / year 1943), page 403. Other translations have similar wording on the page, although not in such a nice succint sentence. Manheim was known to have gone into great effort to create an exact English equivalent of Hitler's work for Mein Kampf. > It's also a morally horrific line of argument. Like saying you shouldn't care about shooting civilians because bad people in the past have used human shields as a war tactic. The point of the quote is to show there are no limits curtailing liberties, not an absolute we shouldn't bother. The attempt to spin the quote into something else, probably because, you wish to "protect the children" is proving the point.
- Veedrac 6y ago
  > The point of the quote is to show there are no limits curtailing liberties, not an absolute we shouldn't bother. The attempt to spin the quote into something else, probably because, you wish to "protect the children" is proving the point. This is not even remotely how you used it. My argument is one where there are obvious checks and balances, where government power is clearly and significantly limited, and little is left exclusively to government trust. Yet because I mentioned that there are actual people being actually raped, I get Godwin's Law'd. Not because I advocated for Chinese style state control. Not because I took away liberties that most people even care about, given most people are perfectly happy using Google services. But because I dared mention that real people are suffering. This happens every time on HN, no matter how moderate my position. Anything even remotely compromising the Bottom Line (universal perfect cryptographic security) is Hitler.
  - Krisando 6y ago
    > Yet because I mentioned that there are actual people being actually raped, I get Godwin's Law'd I looked at your posting history, not much Hitler mentions in responses relating to those topics. This is hyperbolic. > no matter how moderate my position If your position was moderate then "Most software already practically backdoored already" would have been sufficient. > Anything even remotely compromising the Bottom Line (universal perfect cryptographic security) is Hitler. You're way too focused on Hitler. Pretend it's not Hitler, the point is still valid.